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    #21
    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

    - - Only Big ****** white folks driving 6000 lb SUVs vaping g**** juice.

    Actually the oldest recorded settlement in all the Americas is in Texas dating back 23,000 years featuring a square foundation for living quarters that matches the earliest foundations in Europe found in Spain that date back 14000 years, the real migration...
    Thanks for the input!

    I’m one of those ****** people who drives big heavy Land Cruiser

    I got two!

    in Japan, my ten speed is what I ride.

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      #22
      They must not have seen the potential in America that Columbus did.
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        #23


        When Columbus landed in 1492, the Americas had been settled for tens of thousands of years. He wasn’t the first person to discover the continent. Instead, his discovery was the last of many discoveries.

        In all, people found the Americas at least seven different times. For at least six of those, it wasn’t so new after all. The discoverers came by sea and by land, bringing new genes, new languages, new technologies. Some stayed, explored, and built empires. Others went home, and left few hints they’d ever been there.

        From last to first, here’s the story of how we discovered the Americas.

        7. Christopher Columbus: AD 1492



        Replicas of Columbus’s ships sailed to the 1893 World’s Fair in Chicago.

        In 1492, Europeans could reach Asia by the , or by sailing the Cape Route around the southern tip of Africa. Sailing west from Europe was thought to be impossible.

        The ancient Greeks had accurately calculated that the circumference of the Earth was , which put Asia far to the west. But Columbus botched his calculations. An error in unit conversion gave him a circumference of just 30,000 km.

        This mistake, with other assumptions born of wishful thinking, gave a distance of just from Europe to Japan. The actual distance is almost 20,000 kilometres.

        So Columbus’s ships set sail without enough supplies to reach Asia. Fortunately for him, he hit the Americas. Columbus, thinking he’d found the East Indies, called its people “Indios”, or Indians. He ultimately died without realising his mistake. It was the navigator Amerigo Vespucci who realised Columbus had and in 1507 the name America was applied in Vespucci’s honour.

        6. Polynesians: AD 1,200


        Doubled hulls gave Polynesian canoes more stability on the open ocean.

        Around 2,500 BC, a seafaring people to find new lands. They sailed south through the Philippines, east through Melanesia, then out into the vast South Pacific. These people, the , were master navigators, reading wind, waves and stars to cross thousands of kilometres of open ocean.

        Using huge double canoes, the Polynesians Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, and the Cook Islands. Some went , becoming . Others went east to Tahiti, Hawaii, Easter Island, and the Marquesas. From here, they at last hit South America. Then, having explored most of the Pacific, they gave up exploration and forgot South America entirely.

        But evidence of this remarkable voyage remained. The South Americans acquired , while the Polynesians may have picked up . And they shared more than food. Eastern Polynesians have . Polynesians didn’t just meet Native Americans, they married them.

        5. Norse: AD 1,021

        Osebergskipet, a viking ship constructed in AD 820. ,

        According to Viking sagas, around AD 980, , fierce Viking and cunning salesman, named a vast, icy wasteland “Greenland” to . Then, in AD 986, a boat from Greenland .

        Around , Erik’s son Leif established a settlement in Newfoundland. The Vikings struggled with the harsh climate, before war with Native Americans ultimately forced them back to Greenland. These stories were long dismissed as myths, until 1960, when archaeologists dug up the remains of .

        4. Inuit: AD 900

        Inuit boats were built from walrus or seal skins stretched over driftwood or whalebone. ,

        Just before the Vikings, the Inuit people travelled in skin boats. Hunting whales and seals, living in sod huts and igloos, they were well adapted to the cold Arctic Ocean, and skirted its shores all the way to Greenland.

        Curiously, their DNA is , implying their ancestors colonised Asia from Alaska, then went back to discover the Americas again.

        3. Eskimo-Aleut: 2,000-2,500 BC

        Inuits have a distinct history from other Native Americans.

        The Inuit descend from an earlier migration: that of speakers of the . These are distinct from other Native American languages, and might even be distantly related to Uralic languages such as .

        This, with DNA evidence, suggests the Eskimo-Aleut was a distinct migration. They came across the from present-day Russia to Alaska, perhaps years ago, partly displacing and mixing with earlier migrants: the Na-Dene people.

        2. Na-Dene: 3,000-8,000 BC

        The Na-Dene people may have arrived in Alaska 10,000 years ago.

        Another group, the Na-Dene, crossed the Bering Sea to Alaska around , although other studies suggest they settled the Americas as long as .

        links them not to modern people in the Eskimo-Aleut group, but to Native Americans speaking the Na-Dene language family, such as the , , , and Apache people. Na-Dene languages are closest to languages , suggesting again that they represent a distinct migration.

        1. First Americans: 16,000-35,000 years ago


        Clovis points uncovered at a site in Iowa. ,

        Almost all Native American tribes – Sioux, Comanche, Iroquois, Cherokee, Aztec, Maya, Quechua, Yanomani, and dozens of others – speak . That suggests their languages evolved from a common ancestor tongue, spoken by a single tribe entering the Americas long ago. Their descendants’ low genetic diversity suggests this founding tribe was small, maybe .

        How did they get there? Before the last ice age ended 11,700 years ago, so much water was that sea levels fell. The bottom of the Bering Sea dried out, creating the . America’s first people just walked from Russia to Alaska. But the timing of their migration is controversial.

        Archaeologists once thought the , living , were the . But evidence humans arrived in the Americas much earlier.

        Finds in , , , the , and suggest people reached the Americas long before the Clovis people.

        Read more:


        date to 23,000 years ago. in a Mexican cave may date to 32,000 years ago. A from Colorado dates to 31,000-38,000 years ago. And traces of fire put 32,000 years ago.

        Some of these dates could be incorrect, but with each new discovery it seems increasingly unlikely that they’re all wrong.

        Geographic distribution of pre-Clovis sites. Numbers provided are ‘years ago’. Nicholas R. Longrich/Google Earth, Author provided

        An early migration would neatly solve a major mystery. 13,000 years ago, a vast glacier, the , buried Canada in ice up to three kilometres thick. If people arrived in North America then, how did they cross the ice? Southeast Alaska’s rugged coast, full of glaciers and fjords, was likely impassible, and early Americans probably lacked boats. But 30,000 years ago, the ice sheet hadn’t fully formed.

        Before the ice spread, people could have hunted mammoths and horses east from Alaska into the Northwest Territories, then south through Alberta and Saskatchewan into Montana. Remarkably, humans may have settled the Americas . Yet that might make sense. Alaska’s Arctic is harsh, but Europe had . The end of discovery


        1492 was the last discovery of the Americas. Following the voyages of Columbus, Magellan, and Cook, the scattered descendants of humanity’s diaspora were finally reunited. Aside from a few , everywhere was known to everyone. Discovery was impossible.


        Captain Cook’s ships, Resolution and Discovery, off the coast of Tahiti.

        But the story of the Americas’ settlement is still being written, and our understanding is evolving. The Eskimo-Aleut may have been , not one. Genes of other, early founding populations. And given how little evidence the Polynesians and Norse left of their visits, it’s conceivable there were other migrations, ones of which we have little evidence.

        Course there's also sketchy and poorly evidenced hypotheses about other groups also reaching the Americas such as the Chinese or Phoenicians but consensus support is pretty weak.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Citizen Koba View Post





          Course there's also sketchy and poorly evidenced hypotheses about other groups also reaching the Americas such as the Chinese or Phoenicians but consensus support is pretty weak.

          most excellent post!

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            #25
            Originally posted by Zaroku View Post


            most excellent post!
            I'd love to take the credit but all I did was a little editing where some of the paragraphs and picture titles had run together, add in a few line breaks here and there for clarity. Removed a coupla ads.
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              #26
              I'm glad white ppl found America

              i dont want to live in a hut and eat bugs

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                #27
                Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
                I'm glad white ppl found America

                i dont want to live in a hut and eat bugs
                F@cking racist

                Smh
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                  #28
                  They brought a lot of technology & Christian work ethic.

                  They gave us a Federal Republic!

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                    #29
                    So where does Amerigo Vespucci fit in there? I thought he also was credited with discovering America.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Anthony342 View Post
                      So where does Amerigo Vespucci fit in there? I thought he also was credited with discovering America.
                      He didn't discover anything

                      He went west because he found out about columbus voyages and stories


                      He became famous because of italian books, maps that were published in europe that mentioned him or named the continents after him and published letters from him
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