Roberto Duran vs Mike Mccallum

[cotto16]

[QUOTE=BennyST;5121633]No, no, no. Toney definitely won that fight, quite clearly in fact. You couldn't even make a case that McCallum won it. It was even clearer than their other meetings. I've watched it many times as McCallum is one of my favourite fighters, Toney is too, but McCallum lost that fight clearly. I still can't figure out how in the hell they scored that fight a draw. Weird.


It always the same with mccallum fights, like you get some who say he won the first kalambay fight, when i had him winning 3 rounds at the most, i had toney winning that first fight, it was close, but i had toney 3 rounds ahead. Also alot mccallum fans think that the fab four all avoided him, and that means he would of beat them all, Mccallum struggled with good boxers who could move or good boxing brains, as kalambay and james toney proved, and he was geting the ears boxed of him by curry til he caught don, he said so him self he was stuggling to get to grips with curry's style. I couldnt see him beating sugar ray learnard or marvin hagler, maybe he might catch duran on a of night, and he might catch hearns the same why he did curry but i still dont know

[TheGreatA]

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No, no, no. Toney definitely won that fight, quite clearly in fact. You couldn't even make a case that McCallum won it. It was even clearer than their other meetings. I've watched it many times as McCallum is one of my favourite fighters, Toney is too, but McCallum lost that fight clearly. I still can't figure out how in the hell they scored that fight a draw. Weird.


It always the same with mccallum fights, like you get some who say he won the first kalambay fight, when i had him winning 3 rounds at the most, i had toney winning that first fight, it was close, but i had toney 3 rounds ahead. Also alot mccallum fans think that the fab four all avoided him, and that means he would of beat them all, Mccallum struggled with good boxers who could move or good boxing brains, as kalambay and james toney proved, and he was geting the ears boxed of him by curry til he caught don, he said so him self he was stuggling to get to grips with curry's style. I couldnt see him beating sugar ray learnard or marvin hagler, maybe he might catch duran on a of night, and he might catch hearns the same why he did curry but i still dont know

Never seen anyone say that he won the first Kalambay fight. That was one of the best performances I've seen of any fighter. Kalambay also boxed very well in the rematch but McCallum won a close one in my opinion.

The first two Toney fights could have gone either way. Toney certainly didn't prove anything about McCallum struggling with boxers, usually it would be McCallum outboxing Toney but the fewer punches that Toney landed had more effect because he was the younger and stronger man.

People forget what physical advantages McCallum would have over most of the fab five (with Benitez included). He was near 6 feet tall with a reach longer than Hearns'. At 154 he was near impossible to beat because he was more of a threat as a puncher and had 15 rounds to work with.

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Never seen anyone say that he won the first Kalambay fight. That was one of the best performances I've seen of any fighter. Kalambay also boxed very well in the rematch but McCallum won a close one in my opinion.

The first two Toney fights could have gone either way. Toney certainly didn't prove anything about McCallum struggling with boxers, usually it would be McCallum outboxing Toney but the fewer punches that Toney landed had more effect because he was the younger and stronger man.

People forget what physical advantages McCallum would have over most of the fab five (with Benitez included). He was near 6 feet tall with a reach longer than Hearns'. At 154 he was near impossible to beat because he was more of a threat as a puncher and had 15 rounds to work with.

Well you are not one of the bitter mccallum fans i know cos i have had many of them saying he should of got the nod in the first kalambay fight, mccallum struggled with toney's boxing brain. You want to talk about mccallum's size, leanard and hagler both stopped hearns in his tracks who was nearly 6 foot 2 and had the righthand of a heavyweight and tuck a size 14 shoe , so lets not bring mccallum's size into it, and by the time mccallum come on the scene benitez was more or less fininshed! so what are we brining him into it for?

[Kid McCoy]

Well you are not one of the bitter mccallum fans i know cos i have had many of them saying he should of got the nod in the first kalambay fight, mccallum struggled with toney's boxing brain. You want to talk about mccallum's size, leanard and hagler both stopped hearns in his tracks who was nearly 6 foot 2 and had the righthand of a heavyweight and tuck a size 14 shoe , so lets not bring mccallum's size into it, and by the time mccallum come on the scene benitez was more or less fininshed! so what are we brining him into it for?

Disagreeing with the scoring of a fight doesn't necessarily equate to bitterness, just opinions. I'm sure you've said in the past that you thought Duran beat Hagler, which I disagree with totally. If Toney did beat McCallum the first time then in my view it was by a very slim margin.

[TheGreatA]

Well you are not one of the bitter mccallum fans i know cos i have had many of them saying he should of got the nod in the first kalambay fight, mccallum struggled with toney's boxing brain. You want to talk about mccallum's size, leanard and hagler both stopped hearns in his tracks who was nearly 6 foot 2 and had the righthand of a heavyweight and tuck a size 14 shoe , so lets not bring mccallum's size into it, and by the time mccallum come on the scene benitez was more or less fininshed! so what are we brining him into it for?

McCallum had a granite jaw though. If Hearns had McCallum's chin and stamina, he would have probably never been beaten.

Benitez was still good in 1982 which is when McCallum made his mark by dominating Ayub Kalule.