Charley Burley vs Marvin Hagler at 160

[Gettin Jiggy]

Say a prime Burley steps up to face a prime Hagler at 160. Could Burley's crafty slick style give hagler trouble, hagler did struggle with duran at 160.

who wins?

[Paragon]

I'll take Hagler, he was the better puncher and tough enough to take Burley's best shots

[Gettin Jiggy]

I'll take Hagler, he was the better puncher and tough enough to take Burley's best shots

what about burley's crafty slick style, could that cause marvin problems? Eddie futch dosent say he was the best fighter he ever saw for nothing, and futch saw them all!

[La_Vibora]

I don't see this as a very good style matchup for HHagler. I think Burley would have used his speed to land first on Marvin, then used his elite reflexes and foot speed to get out of harms way before Hagler could throw back. I think Burley would have dominated the fight, perhaps not as bad as he dominated Archie Moore, but it would have been a wide margin in the scorecards imo.

[Gettin Jiggy]

I don't see this as a very good style matchup for HHagler. I think Burley would have used his speed to land first on Marvin, then used his elite reflexes and foot speed to get out of harms way before Hagler could throw back. I think Burley would have dominated the fight, perhaps not as bad as he dominated Archie Moore, but it would have been a wide margin in the scorecards imo.

nice post!!!

[Paragon]

what about burley's crafty slick style, could that cause marvin problems? Eddie futch dosent say he was the best fighter he ever saw for nothing, and futch saw them all!

Yes, but 2 things

1. Nostalgia can make people see fighters a lot better than they really were

2. Many fighters of Burley's generation weren't as athletic as Hagler's which is why, I think, Burley was so slick compared to many of his opponents

[Gettin Jiggy]

Yes, but 2 things

1. Nostalgia can make people see fighters a lot better than they really were

2. Many fighters of Burley's generation weren't as athletic as Hagler's which is why, I think, Burley was so slick compared to many of his opponents

yes they were, robinson, gavalin, willie pep, jersey joe walctt to name a few, were all just as slick as fighters as any era has ever seen. it gets on my nerves when posters say that era wasnt as good as other era or that era lacked things etc, the era of the likes of robinson was the BEST ERA EVER!

[TheGreatA]

Yes, but 2 things

1. Nostalgia can make people see fighters a lot better than they really were

2. Many fighters of Burley's generation weren't as athletic as Hagler's which is why, I think, Burley was so slick compared to many of his opponents

Bennie Briscoe, Mustafa Hamsho, John Mugabi, Juan Roldan, Tony Sibson, Caveman Lee, Vito Antuofermo and Alan Minter weren't exactly what I'd call "athletic".

I bet Archie Moore, Holman Williams, Bert Lytell, Cocoa Kid, Aaron Wade and Jack Chase were more athletic than they were.

Now you might have a case with Hearns and Leonard but those are only two fighters.

Who does Charley Burley remind you of?

[Gettin Jiggy]

Bennie Briscoe, Mustafa Hamsho, John Mugabi, Juan Roldan, Tony Sibson, Caveman Lee, Vito Antuofermo and Alan Minter weren't exactly what I'd call "athletic".

I bet Archie Moore, Holman Williams, Bert Lytell, Cocoa Kid, Aaron Wade and Jack Chase were more athletic than they were.

Now you might have a case with Hearns and Leonard but those are only two fighters.

Who does Charley Burley resemble you of?

what is your prediction on this fight, as burley is your faviourite boxer right?

[TheGreatA]

what is your prediction on this fight, as burley is your faviourite boxer right?

He isn't, I actually often criticize people for rating Burley above many of his peers. Fighters like Lloyd Marshall, Holman Williams and Jimmy Bivins deserve to be rated with him. Usually you see Burley in people's pound for pound lists with no mention of Marshall, Williams, Bivins and some of the other members of the so-called "Murderer's Row".

I haven't really thought about it and there really isn't enough footage of Burley to truly evaluate his skills. The way he fought against Oakland Billy Smith may not have been how he fought all the time, since he was competing against a much bigger and stronger man in Smith.

I rate Hagler as the greater middleweight but he wasn't always that great when forced to lead (except when he took the initiative against Hearns) and had a couple of subpar performances due to it.

If Hagler comes in with the right strategy from the outset, he could outwork Burley to win a decision. Sometimes he didn't, though. Burley was a tricky opponent and could be a tough puzzle to solve for Hagler.