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    #41
    Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
    If you train to fight a certain way, under certain conditions, then you will know how to handle yourself... toughness? Its all relative. If I had to pick? Give me John Blume and Donn Draeger, martial arts pioneers. Both men were incredibly rugged, loved to mix it up, and were very able!
    Do you mean the Dutchman, John Bluming?
    Last edited by tokon; 07-25-2022, 04:35 AM.

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      #42
      Boxing/Muay Thai/Freestyle/Submission Grappling (combat sports) > "Martial Arts ". Provocative thing to say, can draw hate, but..... Anyway, as choices from that middle area are concerned, Jon Bluming is a great choice, as would be Jan Plas. Donn Draeger was a great US Eastern arts pioneer, serving as one of the key bridges between traditional Japanese arts and the US in the 50s and 60s.
      Raffi Liven, Chris Dolman, Wilfred Burgos, Gokor Chivchyan, the tip if the iceberg I suppose. Everybody loves their sensei!

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        #43
        Originally posted by tokon View Post

        Do you mean the Dutchman, John Bluming?
        Yes, excuse me, my dyslexia plays havoc when I have to remember a name...

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          #44
          Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
          Boxing/Muay Thai/Freestyle/Submission Grappling (combat sports) > "Martial Arts ". Provocative thing to say, can draw hate, but..... Anyway, as choices from that middle area are concerned, Jon Bluming is a great choice, as would be Jan Plas. Donn Draeger was a great US Eastern arts pioneer, serving as one of the key bridges between traditional Japanese arts and the US in the 50s and 60s.
          Raffi Liven, Chris Dolman, Wilfred Burgos, Gokor Chivchyan, the tip if the iceberg I suppose. Everybody loves their sensei!
          Hmmm... Ol' Wispy is already quite up on some of this stuff, isn't he?

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            #45
            Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

            Yes, excuse me, my dyslexia plays havoc when I have to remember a name...
            Yes, John Bluming had a big reputation as a very tough guy.
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              #46
              Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post

              Hmmm... Ol' Wispy is already quite up on some of this stuff, isn't he?
              Oh, yahhhhh.

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                #47
                Originally posted by tokon View Post

                Yes, John Bluming had a big reputation as a very tough guy.
                That whole group lol. Don Draeger and there were some great Judo players and Chinese boxers. Robert Smith chronicled their exploits lol.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

                  That whole group lol. Don Draeger and there were some great Judo players and Chinese boxers. Robert Smith chronicled their exploits lol.
                  Yes, there were others but Bluming was certainly renowned.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by tokon View Post

                    Yes, there were others but Bluming was certainly renowned.
                    Def a mensch! Heck of a writer as well. Look for an article he wrote about Oyama in The Asian Journal of Martial Arts... One of my favorite pieces ever. A real martial artist...old school.

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