Who was faster Tyson or Ali?

[AlexKid]

Who was the fastest HW ever?

Roy Jones JR?, floyd patterson?

[oscar9992]

Ali is faster than Mike.

[BKM-2010]

Tyson had faster hands, Ali had faster feet. Upper body movement is close, hard to say since they used it for completely different styles.

I will say that while Tyson's physical abilities were extremely impressive for his built and size, I find Ali even more impressive because he had a 6'3-6'4 frame with very long limbs. For him to be that fast at such a size and bone structure is incredible.

[billeau2]

different types of speed, very hard to compare actually. Tyson had explosive speed, the kind we see in fighters like Dempsey. Ali had speed along the lines of Jones... Patterson also had this type of speed, and it could best be described as speed through fluid and relaxed movement.

Diffent methods really....Sugar Ray Robinson BTW displayed both types...which makes him so rare.

Fighters often have different methods. Speed is actually relative, meaning how one sets up the punches, and the technique used has a great effect on the raw component of the measurement. For example, Tyson could throw a lot of his punches in a telephone booth, Ali was more of a guy who used movement of his body to set up his shots....Like Vlad Ali could hit you with a jab from across the ring if he wanted to. Different strokes!

[juggernaut666]

Tyson punch for punch was faster ,and in shorter thrown combos ,Tyson was a true puncher ,Ali was a slapper who set up his strong punches .....yes Ali could throw in larger spurts of volume but thats not as impressive as Tysons explosive skills.


Ali was fast but also wore lighter smaller gloves and didn't weigh over 210 at his fastest. I timed him at about 11 punches in about 2 seconds...but non power punches ,so it is easier to throw faster


Many Ali vids have him showcasing handspeed without gloves on ..in this vid Tyson is a bit lighter like Ali and I have him roughly throwing 15 punches in 4 seconds,i stopped counting after the 4 sec.,admittedly I have to keep watching as I lose count.It roughly generates about 3.5 punches second.




With gloves on he throws 5 power punches in roughly 1.3 seconds

[The Old LefHook]

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[The Old LefHook]

different types of speed, very hard to compare actually. Tyson had explosive speed, the kind we see in fighters like Dempsey. Ali had speed along the lines of Jones... Patterson also had this type of speed, and it could best be described as speed through fluid and relaxed movement.

Diffent methods really....Sugar Ray Robinson BTW displayed both types...which makes him so rare.

Fighters often have different methods. Speed is actually relative, meaning how one sets up the punches, and the technique used has a great effect on the raw component of the measurement. For example, Tyson could throw a lot of his punches in a telephone booth, Ali was more of a guy who used movement of his body to set up his shots....Like Vlad Ali could hit you with a jab from across the ring if he wanted to. Different strokes!

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[Ray Corso]

To the naked eye Tyson will appear faster. He has the advantage of developing his combos from his natural size and then his technique within the arm angle is a more natural shape. This also allows his combinations to feature power because his set up can be his steps, he doesn't need an introduction punch to move in.
Ali is using his entire reach in his jab to begin his set up proccess. Again he is using his personal size to his advantage to maintain the distance he's looking for to set up his combinations.
A huge difference edge I give to Ali is the comparison of arm length! Ali's longer limb and full extention adds time to deliver the shot as opposed to Mike's shorter length and "curved" arm angle. (hooks) Mike has more body involvement also the greater amount of time.

Tyson was first taought the speed of the comboination will open up his opponent and when thats digested then bring the power. As time went on Mike lost alot of the methodology that Cus employed but his style and form disappeared as he grew older and got over weight.
Ali lost his steps as he aged and his jab was less significant without the foot speed.

Not sure Roy Jones is mentioned as a heavyweight, he fought a few times and no one of significance. If you haven't notice he's not in the class anymore! Jones should be remembered at his best which was lightheavy.

Tyson 5' 10" 215
Ali 6' 3 1/2" 217

To me these heights and weights represent these men at their best.
They both relied on their speed and reflexes ALOT! When those attributes began to deminish the opponents seemed to get tougher however it was the erosion of their skills that tells the tale compared to their opponents.

Age defeats all great fighters with or without vices.

Ray

[chris boys]

fastest heavyweight Ali

The proof is in the putting; go to YouTube and find the Brian London - Ali fight and go to the knockout sequence.

I defy anyone to accurately count the number of punches Ali throws in those approximately 3 seconds. Can anyone show me something even remotely similar with Tyson (or any other heavyweight)?

I agree that Tyson had great hand speed in his prime, but I could always count his punches -- but this by Ali is off the scale. It is almost beyond what you would think a human being is capable of. Also, these are not short punches!! (as Tyson's generally were). It boggles the mind that he can deliver these types of punches at this speed. No other heavyweight has ever come close.

There is another discussion of Ali v Tyson on YouTube, and Larry Holmes (as well as some others) comments about the blazing hand speed of Ali.

Finally, if you go to Wiki and the section on Ali, there is the info about a guy who actually got films and compared the hand speed of Ali v. Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali was 25% faster!

QED, case closed.

[BKM-2010]

The proof is in the putting; go to YouTube and find the Brian London - Ali fight and go to the knockout sequence.

I defy anyone to accurately count the number of punches Ali throws in those approximately 3 seconds. Can anyone show me something even remotely similar with Tyson (or any other heavyweight)?

I agree that Tyson had great hand speed in his prime, but I could always count his punches -- but this by Ali is off the scale. It is almost beyond what you would think a human being is capable of. Also, these are not short punches!! (as Tyson's generally were#. It boggles the mind that he can deliver these types of punches at this speed. No other heavyweight has ever come close.

There is another discussion of Ali v Tyson on YouTube, and Larry Holmes #as well as some others) comments about the blazing hand speed of Ali.

Finally, if you go to Wiki and the section on Ali, there is the info about a guy who actually got films and compared the hand speed of Ali v. Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali was 25% faster!

QED, case closed.

As far as one combination of punches goes, that goes to Tyson easily. Here is he throwing 5 power punches in 1 second:

True KO punches, not arm punches.

You probably watched a low quality version of the Ali-London fight which made it more impressive.

Guarantee Tyson would be faster in that type of comparison. But who is faster throwing 1 punch? I'd say that goes to Ali on account of his "phantom punch".