Hagler vs Other ATG Middleweights

[BennyST]

Here we have the forum "gob shyte" who's knowledge of the sport is zero. Roy Jones had already easily defeated Bernard Hopkins. Jones was voted Ring Magazine fighter of the year in 1995 Jones had won the IBF World Middleweight Title. Which made him a World Champion at 160lbs.

Well done Sonny! You can read and comprehend basic English. I congratulate you, as I know it takes work for you. I know he was a champion as I just explained to you in the previous post.

However, you said, and I quote, "universal No1 champion at middleweight" which is simply not true.

Toney was when he beat Nunn, but Jones was never universally recognised as the number one guy. You simply regurgitated information I'd already told you in saying that Jones won the IBF title. That was the title that had been vacated by Toney. That fight didn't crown a new universally recognised champion.

[sonnyboyx2]

Well done Sonny! You can read and comprehend basic English. I congratulate you, as I know it takes work for you. I know he was a champion as I just explained to you in the previous post.

However, you said, and I quote, "universal No1 champion at middleweight" which is simply not true.

Toney was when he beat Nunn, but Jones was never universally recognised as the number one guy. You simply regurgitated information I'd already told you in saying that Jones won the IBF title. That was the title that had been vacated by Toney. That fight didn't crown a new universally recognised champion.

Roy Jones was universally recognised as the best middleweight in the world :blow:

[BennyST]

And what the hell does Jones winning the Ring FOTY have to do with anything you simpleton?

You babbled at Ray about ignoring whatever else they'd done in other divisions and focusing on their 160 achievements and yet now you're bringing up Jones' win over Toney at supermiddleweight and his subsequent FOTY award for his wins outside of 160 as some kind of proof of something?

Jones was already a well established 168 champion when he won that award and it was for his work at 168, not 160.

You're just contradicting yourself.

[BennyST]

Roy Jones was universally recognised as the best middleweight in the world :blow:

Yeah, no. He wasn't. There were three other champions at the same time, none of whom had beaten anyone recognised as the top guy, because the top guy, Toney, had vacated and moved up.

So, no one was universally recognised from when Toney left until Hopkins later unified, because there were four different champions and none of them were fighting each other for universal recognition.

As explained, he was a champion, but he wasn't the champion.

[Ray Corso]

These three kids can be proven wrong over & over again but they can't seem to acknowledge their lack of historical facts.

Sonny & elroid and juggernutz will never own up to their mistakes even when facts are against them. You can swear your opinions are correct but facts are facts boys. Its amazing to me how much hate these three children have for people they don't even know. Most sport fanatics are missing some brain cells but when you hate others for no personal reasons you become a fanatic and most of them are immature people who have little to no respect for themselves let alone others.

Ray

[sonnyboyx2]

These three kids can be proven wrong over & over again but they can't seem to acknowledge their lack of historical facts.

Sonny & elroid and juggernutz will never own up to their mistakes even when facts are against them. You can swear your opinions are correct but facts are facts boys. Its amazing to me how much hate these three children have for people they don't even know. Most sport fanatics are missing some brain cells but when you hate others for no personal reasons you become a fanatic and most of them are immature people who have little to no respect for themselves let alone others.

Ray

No hate on my part, just opinion.

You obviously rate Marvin Hagler as ATG i dont. If you want to make your case of why you feel he would defeat other ATGs, i am open to debating it with you. However it is obvious your not open to debate, because you know you cannot make a solid enough case for rating Marvin so highly. So you have to stoop to the exact low that Elroy1, Billeau1 & Jugger stoop too, were you name call to try to insist you are correct and others are wrong.

Your nothing but a ****** clown, whose knowledge of this sport is very limited.

[Ray Corso]

"were you name call to try to insist you are correct and others are wrong".

"Your nothing but a ****** clown"............

I see, you seem to be confused on the name calling thing......

To me Hagler is above average in all aspects of offense (combinations, leading with both hands, punching off feints, slips and blocking. Ring Generalship is very high along with balance and foot work. His defense is equally good with hand technique and positioning along with blocking, head movement and foot work. He has excellent experience and is always well conditioned and very well prepared. His corner I knew personally and they were well prepared at evaluating and handling their fighters needs in the corner.
Hagler was a true boxer/puncher who could box and would slug if he felt inclined to do so. Not a hard puncher but a very accurate one and worked top to bottom as most solid fighters do.
I saw Hagler live 4 or 5 times and had fighters on his under cards twice I think. Once on his birthday on a Maine show in a warm up bout for him.
Always carried himself well and was never guilty of a bad performance that I can remember.
There you go sonny, this is how I remember Hagler. Solid fighter who did everything very well. Oh yeah big heart and willing to fight to the end!
Ray

[IronDanHamza]

Hagler vs Ray Robinson = Robinson UD
Hagler vs Harry Greb = Greb UD
Hagler vs Sam Langford = Langford KO4
Hagler vs Marcel Cerdan = Cerdan KO4
Hagler vs Gene Fullmer = Fullmer KO5
Hagler vs Roy Jones = Jones UD
Hagler vs James Toney = Toney KO11
Hagler vs Stanley Ketchel = Ketchel KO7
Hagler vs Bernard Hopkins = Hopkins UD
Hagler vs Jake LaMotta = LaMotta UD

Also

Hagler vs Freddie Steele = Steele UD
Hagler vs Ray Leonard = Leonard UD
Hagler vs Carlos Monzon = Monzon KO11
Hagler vs Mike McCallum = Draw

All the above fighters are vastly superior, than any fighters Hagler ever fought in his career.

A lot of those picks I would consider very questionable Sonny but there is no way on God's green Earth that Gene Fullmer is knocking out Hagler in 5 rounds.

[billeau2]

No hate on my part, just opinion.

You obviously rate Marvin Hagler as ATG i dont. If you want to make your case of why you feel he would defeat other ATGs, i am open to debating it with you. However it is obvious your not open to debate, because you know you cannot make a solid enough case for rating Marvin so highly. So you have to stoop to the exact low that Elroy1, Billeau1 & Jugger stoop too, were you name call to try to insist you are correct and others are wrong.

Your nothing but a ****** clown, whose knowledge of this sport is very limited.

How can you have Marvin getting Koed so much? Im sure youare aware of hagler's record, chin and performance in general.

[BennyST]

A lot of those picks I would consider very questionable Sonny but there is no way on God's green Earth that Gene Fullmer is knocking out Hagler in 5 rounds.

Yeah, it's a bit embarrassing when he picks the lightest punching guy there with few knockouts, and what few he did get were via TKO accumulation over the fluff on his record, to get an early KO over one of the greatest chins and most durable fighters to ever grace the sport.

Standard fare though I guess.