Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Manny Pacquiao, the 'Four Kings', and Andre Ward's standing

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In this week?s mailbag, trainer Stephen ?Breadman? Edwards discusses, among other topics, action fighters, cutting off the ring, the standing of Gervonta Davis, Teofimo Lopez, Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia, Floyd Mayweather Snr, and more
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No, Gervonta Davis, Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney and Teofimo Lopez were dubbed "The Four Princes". Still flat out WRONG. But, not quite as bad as appropriating the nickname of The Four Kings.

[Smash]

if u say anything about ward u are called a hater, well the guy gets so over rated at times i think, his big fights are kovalev yes but he lost the first one and as for the second one i mean that was a farcical fight but then again tony weeks refed it lol so im not surprised at that one

plus kovalev was majorly screwed over financially after having his titles robbed really, jayz gave ward an incredible guarantee of 6.5 million i think with kovalev getting no guarantee at all lol, wow pure robbery

[Mark Elding]

if u say anything about ward u are called a hater, well the guy gets so over rated at times i think, his big fights are kovalev yes but he lost the first one and as for the second one i mean that was a farcical fight but then again tony weeks refed it lol so im not surprised at that one

plus kovalev was majorly screwed over financially after having his titles robbed really, jayz gave ward an incredible guarantee of 6.5 million i think with kovalev getting no guarantee at all lol, wow pure robbery

Ward should have been disqualified in his very first world title fight. As soon as Kessler started to get some things going, the fake Christian ripped the face of his fellow man to shreds with an array of intentional headbutts. And that’s before we get to the blatant, full body elbows against Abraham, the most excessive holding, grappling and arm bars from any top ranked fighter of the modern era, and the multitude of low blows v Kovalev. Honestly, Ward’s career was a stain on the sport.

[gauze]

Ward should have been disqualified in his very first world title fight. As soon as Kessler started to get some things going, the fake Christian ripped the face of his fellow man to shreds with an array of intentional headbutts. And that’s before we get to the blatant, full body elbows against Abraham, the most excessive holding, grappling and arm bars from any top ranked fighter of the modern era, and the multitude of low blows v Kovalev. Honestly, Ward’s career was a stain on the sport.

don't forget the blatant muy thai elbow against sakio bika

[brankobugarski]

Ward should have been disqualified in his very first world title fight. As soon as Kessler started to get some things going, the fake Christian ripped the face of his fellow man to shreds with an array of intentional headbutts. And that’s before we get to the blatant, full body elbows against Abraham, the most excessive holding, grappling and arm bars from any top ranked fighter of the modern era, and the multitude of low blows v Kovalev. Honestly, Ward’s career was a stain on the sport.

I did not like Ward and I did not enjoy watching him fight. He was one of the dirtiest fighters EVER. As soon as he found out in the ring that the other guy had better boxing skills, he would start grappling, head butting and hitting low on purpose, again and again and again. It was terrible to watch that referees let him get away with that stuff. He is an ATG dirty fighter.

[Smash]

the 4 kings yeah rite

ducker marinator A sider extraordinaire + ultimate weight bully + delusional crazy guy who nearly died + crazy instagram ped cheat

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Accidental headbutts aside, Ward schooled Kessler.

Brian Norman Jr turned down a $1.7 million offer from Boots to fight for $150k instead. That’s a mega duck in my book. Quack quack.

[HandsofIron]

Marvin Hagler is arguably the greatest middleweight of all time, however, he isn't a member of the 4Kings, Wilfred Benitez is and I'll explain why:

Hagler only fought in one weight class - Middleweight (160), lost to 2 journeymen, got a draw with Vito Antuofermo in his prime and couldn't KO a lightweight in Duran.
Wilfred Benitez is one of the greatest defensive masters and counterpunchers of all time, who started his career at around 140, went up higher in weight and won championships in 3 weight classes.

So, the main point here is that Hagler isn't a member of the Four Kings because he didn't win titles in multiple weight divisions whereas the Bible of Boxing did. 4K = Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Wilfred Benitez

[real raw]

Marvin Hagler is arguably the greatest middleweight of all time, however, he isn't a member of the 4Kings, Wilfred Benitez is and I'll explain why:

Hagler only fought in one weight class - Middleweight (160), lost to 2 journeymen, got a draw with Vito Antuofermo in his prime and couldn't KO a lightweight in Duran.
Wilfred Benitez is one of the greatest defensive masters and counterpunchers of all time, who started his career at around 140, went up higher in weight and won championships in 3 weight classes.

So, the main point here is that Hagler isn't a member of the Four Kings because he didn't win titles in multiple weight divisions whereas the Bible of Boxing did. 4K = Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Wilfred Benitez

I'm not sure of your points about Hagler. Some fighters start young and grow with age, therefore outgrow weightclasses. Duran was a middleweight when he fought Hagler, NOT a lightweight. Have you looked at Benitez's overall record, or did you stop after Hearns? (a loss btw). I don't have a dog in the fight since I place no value in the 3 or 4 kings designation, but your evaluation of Hagler does him a diservice.

Leonard is the only one with wins over them all.
Hagler beat two of the three he faced.
Hearns beat two of four and lost two by ko.
Duran won 1 and lost to all four
Benitez won one, lost two.