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    Ducking the hook - Bending vs Squatting

    Most traditional boxing schools will teach you to squat and U-shape to roll under a hook and bending at the waist is a big no-no.





    I was actually very surprised to find this video from Mayweather Sr. because Jr. does squat when doing padwork (obvious, otherwise his combo’s are impossible) but he would mostly bend from the waist during his fights.



    I have always believed that squatting was the best way to avoid a hook but I am not to sure about this anymore.
    Both bending from the waist and squatting have advantages and disadvantages but it seems to me that squatting has a little more disadvantages.
    I first started thinking about it after seeing this video from former Roy Jones coach, Yankello


    As I see it the disadvantages of squatting are, as someone else put it on this forum, squat for a few rounds and you’re going to feel your legs.
    But also the risk that it if your opponent throws his hook just a bit lower next time he can still catch you on the temple/behind the ear.


    Then again, Lomachenko always squats and with him it doesn’t look risky at all…



    Bending from the waist obviously has the disadvantage of taking your eyes of the opponent and the back of you head is somewhat exposed for a brief moment but the advantages are
    - it is faster
    - your head no longer sticks out, but is in a horizontal line with your back or even lower than that. If the opponent hooks a few inches lower he will still miss your head.
    - and what I really like, you change the distance to your head for your opponent both vertically and horizontally making it very difficult for the opponent to adjust and catch you. With a squat you only change vertically.
    Look how Muhammad Qawi frustrated Holyfield and Michael Spinks, making them miss A LOT. Michael Spinks actually threw a backfist once cause he just couldn’t catch him.


    I did a quick, totally random, search on some old school fighters and I see i.e. Nicolino Loche, George Benton, Roberto Duran, Julio Chavez Sr. Salvador Sanchez, Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, James Toney, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Azumah Nelson, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward ALL bending from the waist.
    Canelo uses both the squat and bending from the waist, Gervonta Davis and Devin Haney, bend from the waist. Funny thing is Shakur Stevenson… he hardly ducks at all, he just gets out of the way.

    Of course there is the difference between the amateurs and pros in what is legal, but do (high level) pros generally prefer to bend from the waist?

    Any opinions on this?








    #2
    I'd teach a kid to squat under it, straight down just like Pernell.

    But essentially, just do whatever you've got to do to get under it. Whether you squat, bend or get your glove in between to take the initial impact of the shot, just get your head out of the way of that incoming fist.................Rockin'
    Last edited by Rockin'; 08-18-2022, 10:47 AM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Rockin' View Post
      I'd teach a kid to squat under it, straight down just like Pernell.

      But essentially, just do whatever you've got to do to get under it. Whether you squat, bend or get your glove in between to take the initial impact of the shot, just get your head out of the way of that incoming fist.................Rockin'
      We need some of these pro videos by Rockin!
      Rockin' Rockin' likes this.

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        #4
        Originally posted by kara View Post

        We need some of these pro videos by Rockin!
        How to fight in a wheelchair will be a somewhat niche market I'm afraid

        He does do the old flatten and inflate a tire at a time to avoid down syndrome punches though which is quite a neat trick

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          #5
          Originally posted by Stuntman Mike View Post

          How to fight in a wheelchair will be a somewhat niche market I'm afraid

          He does do the old flatten and inflate a tire at a time to avoid down syndrome punches though which is quite a neat trick
          A wheelchair? As if, you know nothin' motha funka.

          I am disabled though. Not enough for a know nothin' like you to be able to land a scoring blow though. Lmfao!!!...........Rockin'
          Last edited by Rockin'; 08-20-2022, 10:47 AM.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Rockin' View Post
            I'd teach a kid to squat under it, straight down just like Pernell.

            But essentially, just do whatever you've got to do to get under it. Whether you squat, bend or get your glove in between to take the initial impact of the shot, just get your head out of the way of that incoming fist.................Rockin'
            I had to stop reading here as I fear the police would knock on the door had I read any further

            You need to take this stuff to some other forum rockin ,perhaps the dark Web

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              #7
              Originally posted by Stuntman Mike View Post

              I had to stop reading here as I fear the police would knock on the door had I read any further

              You need to take this stuff to some other forum rockin ,perhaps the dark Web
              So you recommend that somebody bends at the waist to duck a hook?

              What punches are you able to throw with force from that position?

              Duck like Pernell, squatting, and you have your full arsenal open for you to use.

              Make a man miss and then make him pay.

              Talk some more about something that you know nothing about.

              Mayweather Sr: Take your eyes off the man and you got problems....

              Stunt Man Mike......... just another dumb ass, know nothin' mfer talkin' sheet..............Rockin'
              Last edited by Rockin'; 08-20-2022, 02:09 PM.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Stuntman Mike View Post

                I had to stop reading here as I fear the police would knock on the door had I read any further

                You need to take this stuff to some other forum rockin ,perhaps the dark Web
                Where'd you go Stuntman Mike, nothing more to say? ...............Rockin'

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rockin' View Post

                  Where'd you go Stuntman Mike, nothing more to say? ...............Rockin'
                  I stopped reading when you mentioned you teach kids to squat...
                  I was suggesting taking that topics to another forum what else is there to say

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Stuntman Mike View Post

                    I stopped reading when you mentioned you teach kids to squat...
                    I was suggesting taking that topics to another forum what else is there to say
                    How many sanctioned bouts have you had? ....................Rockin'

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