Who Was Stronger: Wlad Klitschko or Muhammad Ali

[Steak]

Uhh it was clearly before his time. Ali lost to a guy with 6 wins, quit on his stool against Holmes and got beat down by a bad Trevor Berbick. But let me guess...he was past prime. Wlad can have a prime to.

what time frame do you believe is Wladimir's prime, the years?

[Wlad Klitschko]

what time frame do you believe is Wladimir's prime, the years?

2005- present. His prime probably wont end until 2014 or so. Look at how his body has changed and he actually fits it. Wlad as an amateur wasnt a big guy, he was a rail thin guy, he now has muscle which has helped his chin, he now has stamina and he actually has his own style now, not just some lame copy of Vitali's

[musiol]

helped his chin how when was the last time he was hit,and a thought you just started following wlad a few years ago your just a lying ****

[Steak]

while I partially agree that Wladimir is at his best now and from 2005, he was dropped by Davarryl Williamson very near 2005 and was dropped 3 times against Sam Peter in 2005(although only one or maybe two were truly legitimate). He still has some weak points in his game, as do all fighters, and you cant totally ignore his fights beforehand...he was already about 27 or 28 when he lost to Sanders and Brewster, and was already weighing in at the 240s then,why is what he weighs in todays fights.

Wlad also was outlanded and outjabbed by Tony Thompson and struggled to hit Sultan Ibragimov, which of course he still won without much hassle but he simply not the destroyer you make him out to be in all situations. Thompson is similiar to a degree to Terrell, except Terrell was much better.(sorry Tony).

and if Sam Peter can hurt Wlad with a right hand over the jab, Im thinking that Ali could do the same except much quicker, because his money punch was that choppy right hand of his.

[Wlad Klitschko]

while I partially agree that Wladimir is at his best now and from 2005, he was dropped by Davarryl Williamson very near 2005 and was dropped 3 times against Sam Peter in 2005(although only one or maybe two were truly legitimate). He still has some weak points in his game, as do all fighters, and you cant totally ignore his fights beforehand...he was already about 27 or 28 when he lost to Sanders and Brewster, and was already weighing in at the 240s then,why is what he weighs in todays fights.

Wlad also was outlanded and outjabbed by Tony Thompson and struggled to hit Sultan Ibragimov, which of course he still won without much hassle but he simply not the destroyer you make him out to be in all situations. Thompson is similiar to a degree to Terrell, except Terrell was much better.(sorry Tony).

and if Sam Peter can hurt Wlad with a right hand over the jab, Im thinking that Ali could do the same except much quicker, because his money punch was that choppy right hand of his.

First of all thankyou for an actual knowledgeable response. You know, one where you cite facts to back up your opinion. That seems to be very rare here. Also no personal insults another plus. I disagree, but thats the point of a forum, to communicate and converse.

With the Tony Thompson fight stuff. Tony showed some heart there, but no one in their right mind had him winning when he got brutally destroyed by Wlad. Dont be a slave to compubox.

When Wlad lost to Purrity, he weighed 225 lbs. That is incredibly light for a guy his height. Also it was his 12th fight in 12 months, so anyone who brings up Purrity is a joke. Wlad was young and thin and tired. So that is one loss that can be explained by "not being prime."

Sultan is tough to hit and Wlad did struggle to hit him, but he pretty much retired the guy. I mean imo the ref did a huge disevice to sultan by not stopping that fight. Sultan landed some shots, but he wasnt even really trying to win, just make it respectful come the second half of the round.

And sam peter when fit is a great fighter imo. I think Peter would be a nightmare for people from other eras. He is big strong, you dont actual think Ali hits as hard as Peter do you?

And as for Terrell, perhaps a guy as tall as wlad could land some weak punches on him, but that doesnt mean they are as big or as tough as Wlad.

[Wlad Klitschko]

helped his chin how when was the last time he was hit,and a thought you just started following wlad a few years ago your just a lying ****

Well weighing 225 and being in his 12th fight in 12 months probably didnt help his chin against Purrity. If Wlad has a weakness its his chin. he has learned to protect it, now he doesnt get hit. Isnt that what a boxer is supposed to do? I know youre a holy fan, but come on, the key is to hit and not get hit, yes I know Holy's key was to hit and hit and not worry if he got hit, but thats just Holy

[BattlingNelson]

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Wlad Klitschko: Listen up prick.

You were the one who started pretending not to speak English, so don't pretend to be offended and put me on ignore. It's pathetic, ******ed and shows a major lack of balls.

Anyway, what I wanted to comment on in your thread, which made me make this one, was that ridiculous last sentence of your paragraph.

"Still hasnt been in the ring top 10 p4p, which is a joke imo. He hasnt lost since Lewis and Lewis refused a rematch, what can he do?"

What can he do? Well, he could have beaten him the first time around instead of losing by TKO. How's that?

Ciao for now. Oh, and beefor you do start on the reply to answer question of mine, please and think like normal person to not starting fake threads pretending as Russian who cannot speak the english well yes? ****.

[JAB5239]

Do you think TS should be banned?

Not yet, but he is clearly trolling for attention.

[JAB5239]

Mods this guy needs to be banned. He needs to be placed in an asylum. He is either 1. insane or 2 the dumbest on all interwebs. Seriously. Just read his arguments. He says that before Frazier, Mathis had one a round past the 7th.

If anyone is getting banned, it will be you again.

Where did I say this? Post a link please.

[musiol]

First of all thankyou for an actual knowledgeable response. You know, one where you cite facts to back up your opinion. That seems to be very rare here. Also no personal insults another plus. I disagree, but thats the point of a forum, to communicate and converse.

With the Tony Thompson fight stuff. Tony showed some heart there, but no one in their right mind had him winning when he got brutally destroyed by Wlad. Dont be a slave to compubox.

When Wlad lost to Purrity, he weighed 225 lbs. That is incredibly light for a guy his height. Also it was his 12th fight in 12 months, so anyone who brings up Purrity is a joke. Wlad was young and thin and tired. So that is one loss that can be explained by "not being prime."

Sultan is tough to hit and Wlad did struggle to hit him, but he pretty much retired the guy. I mean imo the ref did a huge disevice to sultan by not stopping that fight. Sultan landed some shots, but he wasnt even really trying to win, just make it respectful come the second half of the round.

And sam peter when fit is a great fighter imo. I think Peter would be a nightmare for people from other eras. He is big strong, you dont actual think Ali hits as hard as Peter do you?

And as for Terrell, perhaps a guy as tall as wlad could land some weak punches on him, but that doesnt mean they are as big or as tough as Wlad.

thompson showed no heart he tried to survive and didnt even give it a go as did sultan he danced around wlad eating the odd jab,christ a OLD as hell holyfield landed some good power punches on sultan its called letting your hands go something wlad has a problem with due to think fact his chin will be exposed if he does let them go when a guy is in healthy condition.
As for peter he is not a great fighter hes **** bottom line