Who Was Stronger: Wlad Klitschko or Muhammad Ali

[Wlad Klitschko]

thompson showed no heart he tried to survive and didnt even give it a go as did sultan he danced around wlad eating the odd jab,christ a OLD as hell holyfield landed some good power punches on sultan its called letting your hands go something wlad has a problem with due to think fact his chin will be exposed if he does let them go when a guy is in healthy condition.
As for peter he is not a great fighter hes **** bottom line

Thompson threw, Sultan had not chance and I mentioned that. He threw a few punches to the body, but that was just to not completely be embarassed. Why does Wlad have to let his hands go. If the point of boxing is to win, then he should just win. people liek you are why Pompey lost to Caesar, Pompei had Caesar outnumbered and surrounded, but rather than starve him and save the Roman republic he sent his forces in. They were repelled by Caesars starving, backs to the wall troops, and the rest as we say is history. Wlad plays it smart and starves his opponents. He fights to win, not to please. Thats not a crime. Old as hell holy got whooped by Sultan.

[Steak]

First of all thankyou for an actual knowledgeable response. You know, one where you cite facts to back up your opinion. That seems to be very rare here. Also no personal insults another plus. I disagree, but thats the point of a forum, to communicate and converse.

With the Tony Thompson fight stuff. Tony showed some heart there, but no one in their right mind had him winning when he got brutally destroyed by Wlad. Dont be a slave to compubox.

When Wlad lost to Purrity, he weighed 225 lbs. That is incredibly light for a guy his height. Also it was his 12th fight in 12 months, so anyone who brings up Purrity is a joke. Wlad was young and thin and tired. So that is one loss that can be explained by "not being prime."

Sultan is tough to hit and Wlad did struggle to hit him, but he pretty much retired the guy. I mean imo the ref did a huge disevice to sultan by not stopping that fight. Sultan landed some shots, but he wasnt even really trying to win, just make it respectful come the second half of the round.

And sam peter when fit is a great fighter imo. I think Peter would be a nightmare for people from other eras. He is big strong, you dont actual think Ali hits as hard as Peter do you?

And as for Terrell, perhaps a guy as tall as wlad could land some weak punches on him, but that doesnt mean they are as big or as tough as Wlad.

I never brought up the Purrity fight...like Ali against Cooper, Wlad was very young and green, and no fighter is above being KOed, especially when they arent fully developed.

I brought up the Brewster and Sanders fights. Wladimir was 240lbs for those fights if Im not mistaken, and he is extremely close to that weight nowadays. I dont think his chin has gotten any better, or worse, since then. His defense has though, and his overall fighting strategy.

while Peter does have a fair amount of power, the shots he rocked Wlad with were even full body ones. go to 3:45.

dont get me wrong, it wouldnt feel great to get hit by that, but it was too choppy and actually the weight behind the punch was angled downwards, as opposed to straight into the chin where Ali would have thrown it from. The actualy knockdown itself at 3:54 is actually a straight up arm punch. you can tell because his body weight has already been shifted foward previous to throwing the punch AND because his feet were not set at all, it was basically him scooting along at a walk. not to mention it was thrown in a pawing motion, which is not an effective way at all to transition power behind a punch.
go to 9:12

notice how Ali not only continually looks for the right hand over the jab, but also is able to align his body behind the punch and aim directly on the temple, making his opponents legs automatically give out. not the hugest shot, but neither was this.

and I could definitely see Ali being able to pull something like that off if Williamson could

[Wlad Klitschko]

Wlad's reach is better, Wlad's power is better, Ali trying to counter would have tot ake a ton of punishment to time that right. Also, Wlad goes down many times because of knowledge of his chin. He'd rather go down at the first case of danger than get KO'ed. Again, Wlad plays it safe, hed rather win 118-110 or something than go for 120-108 and risk a KO. He is a smart man and controls himself in the ring. That control is why I think hed beat Ali. Ali tricked his opponents into fighting the fight he wanted. He badmouthed them, he ridiculed them, he was racist towards them. Wlad wouldnt care, hes as stoic as can be. Vitali might make it a war, but Wlad, would just jab jab jab, right, clinch over and over until Ali made the same mistake Ben Stiller did in Tropic Thunder and go Full ******.

[boxing boy]

Every fight you cited was after he lost to Joe Frazier. The fights I was talking about were before Joe Frazier. You are an idiot. You are the dumbest person on the interwebs. The idiocy is mind numbing. Like Ive never been more confused in my life. How dumb are you? I hope you never bred. Because this lunacy has to die with you.

The James Beattie fight, that you promote that you say was some great win, happened FOUR ****ING MONTHS AFTER HE FOUGHT FRAZIER. Mathis weighed in at 226 lbs. The great James Beattie mind you had fought only once outside of Minnesota because he was a club fighter. Dear god, you are the epitome of a boxrec warrior. Whered you see the fight? BECAUSE THERES NO FOOTAGE OF IT. Just end it.

NOW THAT IS ****ING OWNAGE.

You took the bait,Lol.....I knew you would run to boxrec,and you did.That's your 2nd home.

Hey everybody lets have a body building contest!! Lol

Lifting weights means nothing either when it comes to boxing.Back in the 1970's they had a show on TV called the Super Stars(Or something like that) and Joe Frazier could not lift 160lbs over his head.Heck,i only weighed 132lbs at that time and could lift more weight over my head than Joe Frazier!!

It doesn't matter if your tall,skinny,short or fat in boxing.It doesn't matter how well your built etc. etc. If you knew ANYTHING about boxing you would know this.

Thanks for taking the bait and running to boxrec,like i knew you would,Lol...What shall your new name be, Body Builder or boxrec man?

[wmute]

The b!tch ****hammer 2010 gave me red k for this post.

I guess the problem about truth is that it burns.

and the Wlad Klitschko b!tch gave me red k for this one...

oh my god these little girls crack me up...

[Wlad Klitschko]

You took the bait,Lol.....I knew you would run to boxrec,and you did.That's your 2nd home.

Hey everybody lets have a body building contest!! Lol

Lifting weights means nothing either when it comes to boxing.Back in the 1970's they had a show on TV called the Super Stars(Or something like that) and Joe Frazier could not lift 160lbs over his head.Heck,i only weighed 132lbs at that time and could lift more weight over my head than Joe Frazier!!

It doesn't matter if your tall,skinny,short or fat in boxing.It doesn't matter how well your built etc. etc. If you knew ANYTHING about boxing you would know this.

Thanks for taking the bait and running to boxrec,like i knew you would,Lol...What shall your new name be, Body Builder or boxrec man?

Uhh actually I didnt run to boxrec, i cited an article that I was familiar with....Wow, youre fairly pathetic. red k. so you were wrong and I proved you wrong so you say, "you went to boxrec?" wow...

[musiol]

Thompson threw, Sultan had not chance and I mentioned that. He threw a few punches to the body, but that was just to not completely be embarassed. Why does Wlad have to let his hands go. If the point of boxing is to win, then he should just win. people liek you are why Pompey lost to Caesar, Pompei had Caesar outnumbered and surrounded, but rather than starve him and save the Roman republic he sent his forces in. They were repelled by Caesars starving, backs to the wall troops, and the rest as we say is history. Wlad plays it smart and starves his opponents. He fights to win, not to please. Thats not a crime. Old as hell holy got whooped by Sultan.

look you said sultan is hard to hit a said holyfield landed some good power shots,did a say he won and **** noooo yeah 4rounds n 5 a think on the cards got whooopd.never been whooped lol oh please dont upset me

[Wlad Klitschko]

look you said sultan is hard to hit a said holyfield landed some good power shots,did a say he won and **** noooo yeah 4rounds n 5 a think on the cards got whooopd.never been whooped lol oh please dont upset me

haha holy landed 14% of his punches on sultan. Sultan won 118-110. Sultan landed 197 punches to Holy's 49...yeah...Holy got werked. He got whooped bad.

He landed one good shot, that was it. 5 rounds? haha, what 5 rounds, he landed 49 punches total. hahahahahah. He won 5 rounds and landed 49 punches?

Holy landed 14% of his shots on Sultan...but no hes not hard to hit.............outta here troll.

[Steak]

you do realise that Holyfield had been shot since he was 40(which was about 6 years ago), right?

and that no one in their right mind would have ever imagined he would still even be getting title shots(or even fighting bums) after getting TKOed by James Toney and being medically suspended from boxing, let alone going the distance with current champions and even deserving a win against one of them(Valuev).

I mean if that isnt a flashing light to tell you the division is subpar, I dont know what is.

[Wlad Klitschko]

you do realise that Holyfield had been shot since he was 40(which was about 6 years ago), right?

and that no one in their right mind would have ever imagined he would still even be getting title shots(or even fighting bums) after getting TKOed by James Toney and being medically suspended from boxing, let alone going the distance with current champions and even deserving a win against one of them(Valuev).

I mean if that isnt a flashing light to tell you the division is subpar, I dont know what is.

Uhh...in my post I say that Holy was shot. This guys trying toa rgue that Holy won 5 rounds and landed at will on sultan. It is in my post that he was SHOT. How hard is it to read? Im not saying it was some great win, he brought up Holy. Im saying that Holy landed 49 punches in the fight and landed 14% of the time. That=not landing at will.

Sultan is a slick fighter.