Who was faster Tyson or Ali?

[juggernaut666]

Facts at their best bro.

I also noticed some more inconsitencies with his research, such as Ali blistering Liston, when in reality it was an even fight on the cards and no mention was made regarding the slowness of Sonny.

The allegations about Tyson here do not stand up to intense scrutiny and are handwavable garage basically.

I actually added to that list here ...these were all the guys who thought Tyson was going to be cake walk or over hype...Frazier/Tucker/Holmes/Green/Biggs/Ruddock/Smith/Robalta/Thomas/Bruno/Berbick


yea Tyson was a real boogeyman...when he fought the best? Really the only one that he scared was Spinks and maybe Tubbs.... Tillis?


the only guy that didn't ridicule him was Douglas but believed he would win as well.And he did ...barely against a missing Rooney Tyson.!

Im not even getting into the come back fights..though Seldon and Golota were a bit shaken..... and actually Lewis a bit in my opinion even though the fight never happened in 96 ,before botha exposed just how out of sync Tyson was by then, I don't think lewis was looking forward to it until after Tyson fought Botha,and saw a nick in the armor so far gone he knew he would win unquestionably.

[boxingnut712]

Tyson hit Lennox out of the ring day one. Lewis then adjusted the next session and the third out boxed Tyson....a 15 yr old unrefined Tyson....keep in mind lewis was the one who left the gym the first day. Tyson crushed Bruno "TWICE" what fight were you watching? On the other hand Bruno almost floorded Lewis until "HE" got caught...yea those "GOOD" boxers


Yes we all know Tyson always lost to those "GOOD" boxers. who weren't "AFRAID" how afraid were....

Frazier/Tucker/Holmes/Green/Biggs/Ruddock/Smith/Robalta/Thomas/Bruno/Berbick ???.... ALL these guys either laughed or critised him or both prior to fighting him

I do not know. I was not there. All I can tell you is Lennox Lewis was thrown out of his camp. I did not say Tyson did not beat Bruno. I merely made a point that Bruno gave Tyson a fight the first time around. The second time around Tyson soundly thrashed Bruno. Larry Holmes had less than 8 weeks to prepare. He fought the fight because he could not turn down the money.

Everything Tyson had going for him he seem to lose. He got rid of Rooney. Huge mistake. Married a someone out of his league, and lost a ton to divorce, then was convicted of ****. Whether, or Not he is guilty is another story, but he was convicted.

What is with the hate on this forum? If you do not agree you can simply say that I do not agree, and just move on.

[juggernaut666]

I do not know. I was not there. All I can tell you is Lennox Lewis was thrown out of his camp. I did not say Tyson did not beat Bruno. I merely made a point that Bruno gave Tyson a fight the first time around. The second time around Tyson soundly thrashed Bruno. Larry Holmes had less than 8 weeks to prepare. He fought the fight because he could not turn down the money.

Everything Tyson had going for him he seem to lose. He got rid of Rooney. Huge mistake. Married a someone out of his league, and lost a ton to divorce, then was convicted of ****. Whether, or Not he is guilty is another story, but he was convicted.

What is with the hate on this forum? If you do not agree you can simply say that I do not agree, and just move on.

Lewis was not in HIS camp...Tyson didn't have a camp,he had Cus selectively having him spar with different pro boxers then even,most didn't last the day...Lewis took a ride with cus to see how Tyson would do for a few days he wasn't with cus " thrown out"....where are you getting this info the twilight zone? lol



'Larry Holmes had less than 8 weeks to prepare. He fought the fight because he could not turn down the money." this is true and so is the over hype of how out of shape he was when in fact he was a solid 227/228 pounds.....he also fought a decade more after that and as stated beat Mercer at 43 when he was not in that great shape he was in 88.....



What is the Bruno thing? He was punched out convincingly twice!

[billeau2]

Mike Tyson had some of the most incredile reflexes of any HW and Ali had asolutely zero reflexes to speak of.

He was a human punching bag.

Your post was idiotic.

Idiotic? Really? Im glad you think so because it shows I am on the right side of logic. You are nothng but an inflammatory idiot. you come here troll away, say the most innane ****** thngs for attention and confuse opinion with fact. You are an unfortunate side effect of an otherwise wonderful capacity on the net to have dialogue...to you and your ilk this is an excuse to just yell louder and become more inane. You and Sonny share that characteristic and it allows you to virtually destroy a forum.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that intelligent people can read the sht you write and judge... You even have the arrogance to think you can speak for other members which is quite amusing actually considering you not even represent yourself in a logical way on the boards.

Please take my middle finger and slowly insert it up your rectum maybe that action will at least temporarily stop you from ****ting up the forum.

[Scott9945]

Idiotic? Really? Im glad you think so because it shows I am on the right side of logic. You are nothng but an inflammatory idiot. you come here troll away, say the most innane ****** thngs for attention and confuse opinion with fact. You are an unfortunate side effect of an otherwise wonderful capacity on the net to have dialogue...to you and your ilk this is an excuse to just yell louder and become more inane. You and Sonny share that characteristic and it allows you to virtually destroy a forum.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that intelligent people can read the sht you write and judge... You even have the arrogance to think you can speak for other members which is quite amusing actually considering you not even represent yourself in a logical way on the boards.

Please take my middle finger and slowly insert it up your rectum maybe that action will at least temporarily stop you from ****ting up the forum.

Dead accurate post that deserves a bump. Stop trolling the history section Leroy!

[boxingnut712]

Lewis was not in HIS camp...Tyson didn't have a camp,he had Cus selectively having him spar with different pro boxers then even,most didn't last the day...Lewis took a ride with cus to see how Tyson would do for a few days he wasn't with cus " thrown out"....where are you getting this info the twilight zone? lol



'Larry Holmes had less than 8 weeks to prepare. He fought the fight because he could not turn down the money." this is true and so is the over hype of how out of shape he was when in fact he was a solid 227/228 pounds.....he also fought a decade more after that and as stated beat Mercer at 43 when he was not in that great shape he was in 88.....



What is the Bruno thing? He was punched out convincingly twice!

yeah, and the first time Bruno put up a fight. did you ever even see the fight, or do you just lick Tyson's nuts?

[Elroy1]

Bill and Scott

One of these guys in question bent around punches left right and centre and rarely got hit despite being an aggressive swarmer.

And the other dude got asolutely smashed from post to post in practically every single fight by some of the smallest, bummiest and SLOWEST opponents ever to lace up the gloves.

To find out which one, onlookers do not HAVE to make a judgement call on "intelligence" or try to see through which side the subterfuge is on.

ALL they have to do in the year 2015 is google the bloody fights to SEE it is correct!

Your man was hit at will, as soon as his opponent was in range (=poor reflexes)..

^How can you argue otherwise?

I post facts, you post propaganda.. And who is trolling?

[Scott9945]

Bill and Scott

One of these guys in question bent around punches left right and centre and rarely got hit despite being an aggressive swarmer.

And the other dude got asolutely smashed from post to post in practically every single fight by some of the smallest, bummiest and SLOWEST opponents ever to lace up the gloves.

To find out which one, onlookers do not HAVE to make a judgement call on "intelligence" or try to see through which side the subterfuge is on.

ALL they have to do in the year 2015 is google the bloody fights to SEE it is correct!

Your man was hit at will, as soon as his opponent was in range (=poor reflexes)..

^How can you argue otherwise?

I post facts, you post propaganda.. And who is trolling?

I'd be willing to put it to a vote. Loser leaves the boxing history board. How about it?

[boxingnut712]

Lewis was not in HIS camp...Tyson didn't have a camp,he had Cus selectively having him spar with different pro boxers then even,most didn't last the day...Lewis took a ride with cus to see how Tyson would do for a few days he wasn't with cus " thrown out"....where are you getting this info the twilight zone? lol



'Larry Holmes had less than 8 weeks to prepare. He fought the fight because he could not turn down the money." this is true and so is the over hype of how out of shape he was when in fact he was a solid 227/228 pounds.....he also fought a decade more after that and as stated beat Mercer at 43 when he was not in that great shape he was in 88.....



What is the Bruno thing? He was punched out convincingly twice!

I stand corrected. I was thinking of Tony Tucker.

[billeau2]

Bill and Scott

One of these guys in question bent around punches left right and centre and rarely got hit despite being an aggressive swarmer.

And the other dude got asolutely smashed from post to post in practically every single fight by some of the smallest, bummiest and SLOWEST opponents ever to lace up the gloves.

To find out which one, onlookers do not HAVE to make a judgement call on "intelligence" or try to see through which side the subterfuge is on.

ALL they have to do in the year 2015 is google the bloody fights to SEE it is correct!

Your man was hit at will, as soon as his opponent was in range (=poor reflexes)..

^How can you argue otherwise?

I post facts, you post propaganda.. And who is trolling?

No what you do is post innanities that are not only poorely reasoned opinions and not facts by any definition, you then act as though these opinions entitle you to ridicule and post on and on with the same....

You have no mechanism that says "enough, my opinion is understood" and believe that by posting the same things over and over again that gives you a victory...just like your fellow half wit Sonny.

There is no FACT regarding your opinion about Ali's skills and opponents. In fact extraordinary opinions generally require extraordinary evidence...you can't even present any evidence accept feigning indignation that people do not see things your ******ed way.

Look you like Juggy right? Take a page from his book....he often posts about fighters from the Tyson generation on and has shown a capacity to discuss relevant facts like a fighter's record, source material, etc.... You and Sonny don't do that! Example: sonny's claim about lewis ducking, Juggy presents tapes and articles (as I did) that show Bowe and his manager stating information....thats proof.

Heres how silly you are: comparing Lewis to Louis...this is an opinion. It has so many possible permetations, involving things like the rules (15 round, glove size, etc), the availability of the fighter to train for circumstances (Can Lewis cut weight for a 15 rounder? can Louis gain muscle mass for conditions?) et. Nobody knows what would happen in this situation, we have opinions!

A fact is something that can be verified independent of someone calling it a fact, YOU DON'T SEEM TO GET THIS. And so you **** up the forms and you cast aspersions when people try to present opinions based on information. That makes you a troll. I don't know why they let you **** this place up but as far as I am concerned you have been a great success at making this section into a ****storm....from congradulations! If you post the same **** 500 times a day you will eventually be right...on the 499th try, just ask Sonny.