Tyson - Holyfield I II III?

[The Iron Man]

Ok, with Tyson-Holyfield III taking up a large part of the boxing news i decided to watch their fights and see How holyfield won. Now please remember tyson is my favourite fighter but i think of myself as an unbiased fan, for instance i dnt rate him as number 1 or think he would destroy some1 like foreman.

From the first fight i gatherd this. Round 1 Tyson started of brilliantly and rocked holyfield with the first punch, evander then started tieing tyson up and gave a good account of himself. The second round was either even or went holyfields way. By the 4th and 5th round Tyson was starting to show more dominance, he rocked holyfield got in some clean shots. The commentators are talking about how holyfield has tierd and tysons strength has taken its toll. Round 6 tyson again started off well, until the headbutt, tyson was cut. He got nervous and the crowed were making it clear whos side they were on he rushed in and got caught off balance. This was the downfall of the fight, and the unoficial score card had tyson ahead wen he was cut. So i ask you to watch this fight, watch it as though u have never seen it before and tell me whether u think im right? or you think im being an idiot lol!

Once this is discussed we can move on the II and the possibility of III

[TheGreatA]

Holyfield certainly used his 'head' in that fight against Tyson, literally.

Tyson should've given a better account of himself in the rematch but he f***ed it all up when he couldn't keep himself mentally together for 3 rounds.


Of course, all the blame for the headbutts shouldn't be placed on Holyfield's shoulders because Tyson had a habit of rushing in with his head himself.
Holyfield always ducked low with his head so Tyson would rush into it.


But Holyfield knew how to do bend the rules like every great fighter does.
He even said after the Tyson fight that he does what he has to do, legal or not.

[The Iron Man]

Very true, accidental or not. I think it changed the outcome of the fight, not im not saying tyson never broke the rules. But i cant remember him breaking them and then the outcome of the fight turning in his favour. It IMO changed the outcome of that fight, tyson (not at his best) was comming into the fight and starting to become dominant. But it also shows mentaly tyson wasnt as good, he tried to rush it and got worried and fased by the crowd. Im not sure if Rooney could have calmed him, but its a possibility

[x3_bazooka_x3]

after the first fight during the interview Tyson admitted that he had butted Holyfield as well, it was the people in his corner putting that **** in mikes head ie: John Horn, either way Holyfield will make mike quit, Tyson doesnt like to fight any more and Holyfield still wants the title bad big problems mike faces being that his heart isnt in it, and if Holyfield can avoid getting hit early Mike will quit again after 4 rounds.

[The Iron Man]

Yeh your probably right about the outcome of the III fight. But the headbutt changed the 1st fight, if you can i recommend u watch it. I never really noticed it before, but Tyson panics.

[The Noose]

I thought Tyson only won the 5th round in their first fight. Some others were close. He won it be throwing a few combinations and Holyfield went quiet, maybe hurt by a good body shot.

Holyfield knew that Tyson would throw single shots and took advantage of that by countering well, and his timing was great. He knew as the fight grew on Tyson would get more tired and throw less.
IMO it wasnt so much the cut as it was the knock down/slip. Tysons confidence just drained away at that point.

I thought in the rematch before he waa cut Tyson looked better, sharper. But the best shots he threw were after the 2nd ear bite. He waves Holyfield in and throws a wicked shot to the body.

A 3rd fight is a total farce. Tyson is done, Holyfield has the desire but is way too old.

[Axl Rose]

In their first fight Tyson was ahead on 2 of 3 scorecards after 5 rounds. And the butt came in the 6...i think Mike looked tired and disorganized after the butt in the 6 round.

However there was a big change In Tysons career this night. He did not only loose, but Tyson was very static and diddnt nearly move hes head or hes body like he did before he went to prison. I also think that Tysons handspeed in this fight wanst nearly as good as in hes prime.

The 3 round in the rematch was a very good round. i remember Tyson had a left hok-right hand combination wich was amazing, and the next second he bit him. unbelivable, but hes a legend.

[MissDeeCole]

that fight was the most early boxing memory I have

[Silencers]

Holyfield weathered the storm early, took pretty much every shot Tyson could hit him with and was punching back, mentally that must have been discouraging for Tyson and then Holyfield connected with that headbutt and the fight turned around after that.

[LondonRingRules]

Ok, with Tyson-Holyfield III taking up a large part of the boxing news i decided to watch their fights and see How holyfield won.

** It seems like you got it covered pretty well.

Tyson had the advantage in an action packed bout until just falling apart from seeing his own blood. Didn't quit outright, but it took the edge off he needed to wage a tough battle and made him feel sorry for himself like some toddler might. The 2nd fight he was also doing quite well until the butts made him lose composure again. I felt the butt in the first fight was accidental, but in the 2nd, Holy was definitely out to use his head because he saw how rattled Mike got the first fight.

That's just the fight results. The real reason Holy won was because of their recent ring histories and the burden of expectations. Tyson had less than 8 rds of ring experience the previous 5+ years, not nearly enough to prepare for a really tough customer. His opponents, with the exception of Bruno, were not quality boxers to shake the rust off. The McNeely fight turns out to just be the first in a series of farces that represent what he'd become, a mentally ill ex-con being propped up with meds, acting out in the ring for incredible amounts of money and media interest.

The expectation was that Tyson was still in his prime and that Holy was shot. There were fears about Holy's life. We all know that's why King made the fight, a cakewalk for Mike. When reality bit everyone on the ass, everybody scrambling around for another bandwagon, and that became Holy, the face, and Tyson the heel. WWE could only dream they could ever have a star like Tyson.

Most every post prison fight marred by his actions both in and out of the ring, a drama queen, not a boxer anymore, although his natural talent was so prodigious that he could still ooh and aah the public that pays to see trainwrecks.

Credit to Holy for his part in making the first fight a classic on many different levels, but he was fighting a greatly diminished fighter who was not a well man. If we also follow Holy's career forward from here, it seems everyone was correct, the guy well past his best, many just dreary performances with an occasional burst here and there which deludes him into thinking he can still do it. Add in all the steroid accusations around him, well, that fight and his career starts to make more sense.

Mentally Tyson cannot fight any more. He's dangerous for one rd, and then just loses interest, plus looks to be 300+ these days. Holy can barely throw a punch anymore unless the fighter stands in front of him, but if they want it, it will happen somewhere. Russia's booming and it would be big stuff there and symbolic of Russians helping out poor beleaguered Americans who can barely help themselves these days it seems, and with Holy's standing as a recent "title" contender, maybe dig up some title like the Russian Orthodox Boxing Organization, ROBO belt.

Truth much stranger than fiction because it's real.