Joe Gans vs Battling Nelson

[TheGreatA]

[BattlingNelson]

Thanks for posting. I'd love to give karma if I could.

It seems as if the vid is edited in an unusual way since there's fighting first then what appears to be the introduction followed by fighting again.

A little trivia regading the filming of this fight is that the cameracrew ran out of of film at about the 30'th round (I think) so the end of the fight is only documented by pictures. I find that a bit odd since the fight was billed as a 50 rounder, but film was probably hugely expensive.

Anyways here's some pictures of the fight.

1: Joe Gans at one of the astounding 3 weigh-ins demanded by Nelson's manager (Details of this weigh-in can be found here: http://jeetwin360.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=204170 )

[IMG]http://coxscorner.tripod.com/gan****s/gans_weighin2b.jpg[/IMG]

2: Fightpics:







I've just been looking for pictures of the fights ending but no luck so far.

[BattlingNelson]

Nelson arrives in Goldfield to much bally-hoo:



The picture below is by antiekprizering claimed to be of the first Gans-Nelson fight in 1906. Other places I've since the picture dated in 1908 (the third meeting).

[Southpaw16BF]

Here's some details of there fights

Battling Nelson vs Joe Gans
1906-09-03
Casino Amphitheatre, Goldfield, Nevada, United States
Both Weighed In 132?br /> World Lightweight Title
Referee: George Siler
Gans earned $11,000 and Nelson $22,500. United States President Teddy Roosevelt's son Kermit was in the audience.
Gans winner DQ42

Battling Nelson vs Joe Gans
1908-07-04
Mission Street Arena, Colma, California, United States
Nelson's weight 133, Gan's not annouced
Referee: Jack Welch
World Lightweight Title
Nelson winner KO17

Battling Nelson vs Joe Gans
1908-09-09
Mission Street Arena, Colma, California, United States
referee: Ed Smith
Weight-Gans-133-Nelson-131
World Lightweight Title
Nelson winner KO 21

Pictures of there battles

[KostyaTszyu44]

i know ill get attacked but these guys are ****ing terrible boxers


tough as hell yes, but tough aint enough these guys have no skills or anything

[TheGreatA]

Joe Gans vs Kid Herman:

[Southpaw16BF]

i know ill get attacked but these guys are ****ing terrible boxers


tough as hell yes, but tough aint enough these guys have no skills or anything

i know ill get attacked but these guys are ****ing terrible boxers


tough as hell yes, but tough aint enough these guys have no skills or anything

Kostya, these fighters were brillant boxers. It's just now that sport has changed from here, this footage is from more than a 100 years ago. Course there will be chnages from boxing then. And course there styles may have been different and of course they may have done things alot differently back then with there styles etc.

But i don't know how you could call fighters like the ''Old Master'' Joe gans terrible, Gans never moved more than a few inches to avoid a punch, studied his opponents' strengths and weaknesses much more intently than other fighters of the time, and directed his punches with pinpoint accuracy to key points of weakness. He was a very clever fight and great one.

But to say fighter like Jack Johnson or Sam Langford have ''no skill'' is a riduculus comment and one that is very much NOT TRUE!


It may seem a bit out of place with boxing today, but as i said before this was a 100 years ago, so course there will be things that we do differently now etc, but they were just as good or better as any other era of boxers.

(And also Jackie Blackbrn, a fighter who Joe Gans beat, went on to train arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time Joe Louis, and had a spell with Jersey Joe Walcott, and he was in the era were you say guys were terrible boxers? Well Louis and Walcott wern't to bad when Blackburn was teaching his knowlodge out.

[black.ink]

Controversial fight between Joe Gans and the hard-hitting slugger Terry Mcgovern. Many suggest Gans had threw the fight as an order from his management. Black fighters of his era were poorly treated, but there has never been proof about the fight between these two proving Gans took a dive.

From the footage, it looked to me that Gans was not the fighter he usually was. This fight took place around his prime, with Joe showing no offense and a very poor defense leading to him being dropped on many occasions. That doesn't sound like the Gans we've all heard about from other fights around them years. The only thing pointing towards it not being thrown was the fact that Gans kept getting back up after being dropped, which usually the case is 'when you go down, stay down'.

[LondonRingRules]

Controversial fight between Joe Gans and the hard-hitting slugger Terry Mcgovern. Many suggest Gans had threw the fight as an order from his management. Black fighters of his era were poorly treated, but there has never been proof about the fight between these two proving Gans took a dive.

From the footage, it looked to me that Gans was not the fighter he usually was. This fight took place around his prime, with Joe showing no offense and a very poor defense leading to him being dropped on many occasions. That doesn't sound like the Gans we've all heard about from other fights around them years. The only thing pointing towards it not being thrown was the fact that Gans kept getting back up after being dropped, which usually the case is 'when you go down, stay down'.

** McG a notorious Tyson like fast starter in his day, astronomical power in that dreary NC era.

Gans looks to have been caught cold like happens to a litany of HOFers and never fully recovered. He's fighting back though and lands some crushing shots on Terry, very risky if you're gonna throw a fight. His legs were gone, shot to smithereens after the first barrage, so his normal power wasn't there for the return fire.

That or he's eligible for a Lifetime Achievement Academy Award Oscar tonight. If he threw fights, it wasn't many as his record in total class. It seems maybe most fighters in this era held back because of the NC rules which made fights more like exhibitions. Remember, boxing folks fined and hauled off to the pokey if things aren't just so in certain jurisdictions.

[The Monk]

i know ill get attacked but these guys are ****ing terrible boxers


tough as hell yes, but tough aint enough these guys have no skills or anything

Boxing as a sport was in its infancy when Gans and Nelson were fighting and to say that they have no skill is a statement I simply can't agree with. To you they may not have the skills of modern boxers, but for me they have a skillset which is just as impressive as todays boxers, its just that boxing has changed and evolved. You need to realise that the boxing that we watch today didn't just appear over night; it has taken decades of development and without boxers like Gans and Nelson we wouldn't be where we are today.