The Greatest Latino Fighter of all time?

[IwatchBoxing]

so the hopkings fight wasnt a big name fight right?

I just added him, he wasnt at the time, but since he beat Trinidad, now he is so highy acclaimed, but still Trinidad is a bum .

Durans Big Name fights -
Esteban De Jesus L, W, W
Sugar Ray Leonard W, L, L (he quit)
Wilfred Benitez L
Marvin Hagler L
Thomas Hearns L

Trinidad big name fights -
Hector Camacho W
Luis Ramon Campas W
Pernell Whitaker W
Oscar De La Hoya W
Fernando Vargas W
Bernard Hopkins L
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[+= El Jefe=+]

[QUOTE=IwatchBoxing]I just added him, he wasnt at the time, but since he beat Trinidad, now he is so highy acclaimed, but still Trinidad is a bum .
[QUOTE=IwatchBoxing]
never siad Tito was a bumb just not quite greater than Benitez Duran or JCC
you are still yet to tell my why is JCC overrated??

[cple]

I use to think you were a kool poster, until you said you didnt have Trinidad or DLH in your top 50 all time, now I just think your werid.

You speak as if i denigrate Trinidad by leaving him out of my top 50. I'm not the only one either. If i remember correctly, a while back, the Ring did not have Trinidad or DLH in their top 50. And that was only ranking the fighters of the last 80 years, excluding turn of the century fighters such as Sam Langford, Joe Gans, Jimmy Wilde, Bob Fitzsimmons, etc. Trinidad barely missed out of my top 50 and is in the 60 range if i remember correctly.

Felix is my favorite fighter today and i truly believe i'm not disrespecting him with that ranking. Placing him in the top 10 all-time, like you believe, would be disrepectful to the fighters that actually deserve more recognition. A fighter's greatness is much more than their win-loss record. Sure, Carmen Basilio has more losses than any main****** fighter today, but ask any historian and they'll tell you he's a legit all-time great.

I have my opinion and you have yours, so i suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.

[The Troll]

What about John Ruiz 1st Latino Heavyweight champ ever baby! 4 title defences! 2 time Heavyweight champ! how can you have this thread and leave out the quietman! unspeakable disrespect.


Sorry pretender was not around so I had to put his word in for him.

[IwatchBoxing]

You speak as if i denigrate Trinidad by leaving him out of my top 50. I'm not the only one either. If i remember correctly, a while back, the Ring did not have Trinidad or DLH in their top 50.
I read the list they did have them, and anyway, the Ring sucks.

A fighter's greatness is much more than their win-loss record. Sure, Carmen Basilio has more losses than any main****** fighter today, but ask any historian and they'll tell you he's a legit all-time great.
In that case Kermit Cintron can become top ten too.

But yes records can be misleading, look at Chavez record, he is put above Trinidad, but you cant even name the greats he fought and won.

[cple]

I just added him, he wasnt at the time, but since he beat Trinidad, now he is so highy acclaimed, but still Trinidad is a bum .

Durans Big Name fights -
Esteban De Jesus L, W, W
Sugar Ray Leonard W, L, L (he quit)
Wilfred Benitez L
Marvin Hagler L
Thomas Hearns L

Trinidad big name fights -
Hector Camacho W
Luis Ramon Campas W
Pernell Whitaker W
Oscar De La Hoya W
Fernando Vargas W
Bernard Hopkins L
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For Duran, you forgot Buchanan W, Palomino W, Cuevas W, Moore W, Barkley W.

As for Duran's losses to Hearns and Hagler, they need to be put into perspective. Duran began his career as a bantamweight (118 pounds) and was at his peak at 135. He fought Hearns, arguably the best jr. middleweight of all-time, 19 pounds above his natural weight class. He fought Hagler, a top 4 middleweight all-time, 25 pounds above his natural weight class. Duran moved up and fought legitamate all-time greats.

[+= El Jefe=+]

You speak as if i denigrate Trinidad by leaving him out of my top 50. I'm not the only one either. If i remember correctly, a while back, the Ring did not have Trinidad or DLH in their top 50.
I read the list they did have them, and anyway, the Ring sucks.

A fighter's greatness is much more than their win-loss record. Sure, Carmen Basilio has more losses than any main****** fighter today, but ask any historian and they'll tell you he's a legit all-time great.
In that case Kermit Cintron can become top ten too.

But yes records can be misleading, look at Chavez record, he is put above Trinidad, but you cant even name the greats he fought and won.

and you get this results unter the
"if you are not Puerto Rican you suck"
Theory????
well man im not gonna argue with yo ui have to agree to disagree
and im not the first one who does it.

by the way i think Duran the best latino fighter ever.
so if cintron is top 10
the margarito is ****ing God????

[cple]

You speak as if i denigrate Trinidad by leaving him out of my top 50. I'm not the only one either. If i remember correctly, a while back, the Ring did not have Trinidad or DLH in their top 50.
I read the list they did have them, and anyway, the Ring sucks.

A fighter's greatness is much more than their win-loss record. Sure, Carmen Basilio has more losses than any main****** fighter today, but ask any historian and they'll tell you he's a legit all-time great.
In that case Kermit Cintron can become top ten too.

I realize there is no use in debating with you, but for some reason, i'm compelled to continue.

So i pulled out that issue of The Ring and they rank Trinidad at 51 and DLH at 75. I agree The Ring is not the end-all of all discussions and i definately had some problems with the list, but it goes to show that i am not the only one to leave Trinidad and DLH out of the top 50.

When Cintron beats a fighter of Ray Robinson's calibre, like Basilio did, then i'll call him an all-time great.

[jabsRstiff]

I believe Leonard, Hearns, & Hagler would have all KO'd Felix Trinidad.

[jmctheone]

Roberto Duran best latino fighter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!