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[BattlingNelson]

Are you serious or just looking for attention?

Jones ducked Von Horn? Cordoba? Collins? Eubank?

Listen James Toney, and Bernard Hopkins, are better than anyone on that list and Jones beat them comfortably.

I can name a bunch of contenders from a all time great fighters era, who they didnt fight, does that mean they avoided them?

And by the way, Jones would of destroyed Kessler at his peak......

At his peak Jones beats all of them, and Jones even beat alot of fighters who beat fighters on that list.

Research before you post ****** comments.

Paulie.

No need to flame here on the historyboard noob. You can do that on NSB all day if you feel like it.

The list i posted is researched in the sense that it's a list of all the ranked supermiddleweights Roy DIDN'T fight when he was fighting there + the obvious in Michalszevski.

Jones was in essense fighting in the 168 lb division from 1993 until 1996.

Keys:

RED = Eventually fought them or fought them already
BLUE = Fought them in that year.

The year end rankings of 1992 looked like this:

1: Michael Nunn
2: Iran Barkley
3: Chris Eubank
4: Victor Cordoba
5: Nigel Benn
6: Tim Littles
7: Darrin Van Horn
8: Tony Thornton
9: Frankie Liles
10: Frank Nicotra

He fought Thornton in 1995.

1993:

1: James Toney
2: Michael Nunn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Nigel Benn
5: Tim Littles
6: Darrin Van Horn
7: Frankie Liles
8: Tony Thornton
9: Antoine Byrd
10: Vincenzo Nardiello


1994: Jones enters the list at no. 1 after beating Toney.

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Frankie Liles
5: Vinny Pazienza
6: Tim Littles
7: Michael Nunn
8: Ray Close
9: Graciano Rocchigiani
10: Antoine Byrd


1995:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Steve Collins
4: Frankie Liles
5: Tim Littles
6: Vinny Pazienza
7: Bryant Brannon
8: Henry Wharton
9: Michael Nunn
10: Ray Close


1996:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Frankie Liles
3: Steve Collins
4: Vinny Pazienza
5: Robin Reid
6: Henry Wharton
7: Michael Nunn
8: Vincenzo Nardiello
9: Joseph Kiwanuka
10: Thulani Malinga

At the end of 1996 Jones had moved up.

So Jones work after 4 years at 168 lb consist of an excellent win over Toney and not much else:

Toney
Thornton
Pazienza (LOL)
Byrd
Brannon

Jones never fought a top 3 opponent after Toney. He had 6 fights at 168 after beating him. Of those fights he beat an unranked Thornton, a suspected juiced lightweight in Pazienza, a past it Byrd, a never was in Sosa, a young non-threat in Lucas and a veteran of 16 fights in Brannon.


So the deserving fighters Jones didn't fight (or ducked .....) is these guys:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


Let's face it. A Nunn or a Benn or a Eubank or a Liles or even a Collins would have been real nice.

[.Paulie.]

No need to flame here on the historyboard noob. You can do that on NSB all day if you feel like it.

The list i posted is researched in the sense that it's a list of all the ranked supermiddleweights Roy DIDN'T fight when he was fighting there + the obvious in Michalszevski.

Jones was in essense fighting in the 168 lb division from 1993 until 1996.

Keys:

RED = Eventually fought them or fought them already
BLUE = Fought them in that year.

The year end rankings of 1992 looked like this:

1: Michael Nunn
2: Iran Barkley
3: Chris Eubank
4: Victor Cordoba
5: Nigel Benn
6: Tim Littles
7: Darrin Van Horn
8: Tony Thornton
9: Frankie Liles
10: Frank Nicotra

He fought Thornton in 1995.

1993:

1: James Toney
2: Michael Nunn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Nigel Benn
5: Tim Littles
6: Darrin Van Horn
7: Frankie Liles
8: Tony Thornton
9: Antoine Byrd
10: Vincenzo Nardiello


1994: Jones enters the list at no. 1 after beating Toney.

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Frankie Liles
5: Vinny Pazienza
6: Tim Littles
7: Michael Nunn
8: Ray Close
9: Graciano Rocchigiani
10: Antoine Byrd


1995:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Steve Collins
4: Frankie Liles
5: Tim Littles
6: Vinny Pazienza
7: Bryant Brannon
8: Henry Wharton
9: Michael Nunn
10: Ray Close


1996:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Frankie Liles
3: Steve Collins
4: Vinny Pazienza
5: Robin Reid
6: Henry Wharton
7: Michael Nunn
8: Vincenzo Nardiello
9: Joseph Kiwanuka
10: Thulani Malinga

At the end of 1996 Jones had moved up.

So Jones work after 4 years at 168 lb consist of an excellent win over Toney and not much else:

Toney
Thornton
Pazienza (LOL)
Byrd
Brannon

Jones never fought a top 3 opponent after Toney. He had 6 fights at 168 after beating him. Of those fights he beat an unranked Thornton, a suspected juiced lightweight in Pazienza, a past it Byrd, a never was in Sosa, a young non-threat in Lucas and a veteran of 16 fights in Brannon.


So the deserving fighters Jones didn't fight (or ducked .....) is these guys:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


Let's face it. A Nunn or a Benn or a Eubank or a Liles or even a Collins would have been real nice.

But why is Jones to blame for all them fights not happening?

Big fight's aren't that easy to make. And do you honestly belive Jones would avoid the likes of Steve Collins and Van Horn, but yet fight the unbeaten 44-0 James Toney?

Be Serious..

Paulie

[BattlingNelson]

But why is Jones to blame for all them fights not happening?

Big fight's aren't that easy to make. And do you honestly belive Jones would avoid the likes of Steve Collins and Van Horn, but yet fight the unbeaten 44-0 James Toney?

Be Serious..

Paulie

He fought Vinny fucking Pazienza instead of any of those guys for crying out loud! It's not a question of wouldas or couldas. The fact is that his resum?is severely lacking.

[.Paulie.]

He fought Vinny fucking Pazienza instead of any of those guys for crying out loud! It's not a question of wouldas or couldas. The fact is that his resum?is severely lacking.

Right you didnt answer my question. Why would Jones fight the unbeaten 44-0 James Toney, but yet avoid Steve Collins and Van Horn?

Give me a break......

Why does Jones automatically get the blame for not fighting other fighters?

How do you know that the likes of Collins, Euabank were the ones that were hard to work with?

You know why, because you have a personal dislike towards Jones, so it's easy for you to blame it on him.

And by the way, from what I've seen of you. You're a attention seeker, especailly that avater.

Paulie.

[BattlingNelson]

Right you didnt answer my question. Why would Jones fight the unbeaten 44-0 James Toney, but yet avoid Steve Collins and Van Horn?

Give me a break......

Why does Jones automatically get the blame for not fighting other fighters?

How do you know that the likes of Collins, Euabank were the ones that were hard to work with?

You know why, because you have a personal dislike towards Jones, so it's easy for you to blame it on him.

And by the way, from what I've seen of you. You're a attention seeker, especailly that avater.

Paulie.

All those fighters he didn't fight speaks volumes doesn't it? Look at all those names.

FYI I think Jones was THE exceptionnel talent of last generation. He just failed to test his talent against the best on a consistent basis.

You call me an attention seeker??? I got a suggestion for you: Get out of this section. You'll do much better on NSB.

And what's wrong with my avatar of the toughest fighter the world has ever seen?

[Schmerzen]

in this thread give your list of fighters and their avoided opponents.
one can also give excuses and reasons why the fights did not happen.
i start , and may edit my list in the future :
floyd mayweather :
miguel cotto
paul williams
antonio margaritto


shane mosley :
floyd mayweather
paul williams

manny pacquiao :
shane mosley

juan manuel marquez :
naseem hamed (marquez was hamed's mandatory but chose not to get his shot)

roy jones :
steve collins
frankie liles
gerald mcclellan
julian jackson


bernard hopkins :
chad dawson
reggie johnson
julian jackson
mike mccallum

george foreman :
lennox lewis

rid**** bowe :
lennox lewis

ray leonard :
marvin hagler (rematch)

michael spinks :
tony tucker



did one of the below duck anyone :
vitali klitschko , lennox lewis , wladimir klitschko , nikolay valuev
mike tyson , evander holyfield , oliver mccall , david tua ,
sultan ibragimov , ruslan chagaev , chris byrd
john ruiz , michael moorer , hassim rahman

george foreman was nearly 50 years old ffs, he had no business fighting lennox.

if u say foreman with his 45 ducked lennox, what did lennox do then?
i can also say 38 years old lennox never gave vitaly a rematch, if what george did was a duck at 45...
stop talking bs pls

[.Paulie.]

All those fighters he didn't fight speaks volumes doesn't it? Look at all those names.

FYI I think Jones was THE exceptionnel talent of last generation. He just failed to test his talent against the best on a consistent basis.

You call me an attention seeker??? I got a suggestion for you: Get out of this section. You'll do much better on NSB.

And what's wrong with my avatar of the toughest fighter the world has ever seen?

Jones's resume is a strong one. But your making out like, he ducked fights with the likes of Collins, Van Horn etc, just because he didnt fight them.

He fought James Toney who >>>>>>everyone on that list you named.

He battered Julio Cesar Gonzalez who went over to Germany to beat Dariusz Michalczewski.

And I could go on. Big wow, he fought a few fighters beneath him. So did Joe Louis, Muhhamad Ali, Roberto Duran etc.

Do you honestly think Jones would avoid fighting the likes of Collins, Van Horn, Barkley, Eubank? But yet he fights the likes of Toney, Hopkins, Griffin, Ruiz?

And it's your OPINION that Nelson is the toughest fighter of all time. Plenty of other fighters have a case for that tag.

Paulie

[BattlingNelson]

Jones's resume is a strong one. But your making out like, he ducked fights with the likes of Collins, Van Horn etc, just because he didnt fight them.

He fought James Toney who >>>>>>everyone on that list you named.

He battered Julio Cesar Gonzalez who went over to Germany to beat Dariusz Michalczewski.

And I could go on. Big wow, he fought a few fighters beneath him. So did Joe Louis, Muhhamad Ali, Roberto Duran etc.

Do you honestly think Jones would avoid fighting the likes of Collins, Van Horn, Barkley, Eubank? But yet he fights the likes of Toney, Hopkins, Griffin, Ruiz?

And it's your OPINION that Nelson is the toughest fighter of all time. Plenty of other fighters have a case for that tag.

Paulie

Funny that you critisize me for having the OPINION that Nelson was the toughest of them all while you are of the OPINION that Jones has a strong resum?

I am arguing that Jones spent 4 years at 168 and only holds ONE A-class win. On the grounds of that I am of the OPINION that Jones' resum?at 168 is severely lacking. If you think otherwise then please let us all know.

[sonnyboyx2]

Funny that you critisize me for having the OPINION that Nelson was the toughest of them all while you are of the OPINION that Jones has a strong resum?

I am arguing that Jones spent 4 years at 168 and only holds ONE A-class win. On the grounds of that I am of the OPINION that Jones' resum?at 168 is severely lacking. If you think otherwise then please let us all know.

Bat... you are right & wrong in a way.. Jones was so exceptionally tallented that those opponents you listed was never interested in taking 20% of the purse to fight Roy Jones.. Roy wanted almost all the cash and all the advantages once he won the title from James Toney.. you must agree that none of those fighters ever pushed for a fight with Jones and if they had they was very unlikely to have beaten him.

[BattlingNelson]

Bat... you are right & wrong in a way.. Jones was so exceptionally tallented that those opponents you listed was never interested in taking 20% of the purse to fight Roy Jones.. Roy wanted almost all the cash and all the advantages once he won the title from James Toney.. you must agree that none of those fighters ever pushed for a fight with Jones and if they had they was very unlikely to have beaten him.

All I say is that wouldas, couldas and shouldas doesn't count. All those fantasy wins Jones might have count for nought.

He didn't fight the guys I mentioned wheter it being because Jones offered an unfair cut or something else, the facts remain that Jones didn't. Hence his resum?is less than stellar since fantasyfights, wouldas and couldas doesn't count when everything is said and done.