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    ali, goin to war

    This conversation is taken from Mark Kram's Ghost of Manila p.42. The guy Ali talkin to was SRR.

    “Elijah Muhammad told me,� Ali said, “that I can’t go.�

    Ray said: “You won’t see a gun. Box some exhibitions. It’ll be a
    snap. If you don’t, they’ll send you to jail, pick up your license. You
    want to blow up your career, all you have, for nothing.�

    “Well,� Ali said, “Elijah Muhammad told me.�

    “Forget the old man,� Ray said, annoyed now. “Is Elijah going to
    go to jail, and all those other ******s?�

    “But I’m afraid, Ray, I’m really afraid.�

    “Afraid of what? Of the ******s if you don’t do what they told
    you?�

    Sugar pressed for an answer; he never got one.

    Years later he recalled: “He never answered. The kid was terrified. I left him with tears in his eyes. If you ask me, he wasn’t afraid of jail. He was scared
    of being killed by the ******s. But I don’t know for sure.    �

    Just wanna know your say on this. thanks.
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    #2
    didnt know about this. Thanks for posting man.
    I think the NoI used him for publicity maybe. Im not sure, i flunked my religion history class.

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      #3
      thats just vietnam supporters/noi haters using fear tactics...no proof to that story...

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        #4
        Originally posted by DarkTerror88 View Post
        didnt know about this. Thanks for posting man.
        I think the NoI used him for publicity maybe. Im not sure, i flunked my religion history class.
        from my understanding, i think it was also mentioned that ali was being used. have to check the reason again. am too lazy to go back to those pages hehehe

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          #5
          Originally posted by carlos slim View Post
          thats just vietnam supporters/noi haters using fear tactics...no proof to that story...
          care to elaborate. thanks.

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            #6
            Originally posted by led View Post
            This conversation is taken from Mark Kram's Ghost of Manila p.42. The guy Ali talkin to was SRR.

            “Elijah Muhammad told me,� Ali said, “that I can’t go.�

            Ray said: “You won’t see a gun. Box some exhibitions. It’ll be a
            snap. If you don’t, they’ll send you to jail, pick up your license. You
            want to blow up your career, all you have, for nothing.�

            “Well,� Ali said, “Elijah Muhammad told me.�

            “Forget the old man,� Ray said, annoyed now. “Is Elijah going to
            go to jail, and all those other ******s?�

            “But I’m afraid, Ray, I’m really afraid.�

            “Afraid of what? Of the ******s if you don’t do what they told
            you?�

            Sugar pressed for an answer; he never got one.

            Years later he recalled: “He never answered. The kid was terrified. I left him with tears in his eyes. If you ask me, he wasn’t afraid of jail. He was scared
            of being killed by the ******s. But I don’t know for sure.            �

            Just wanna know your say on this. thanks.
            Yeah the nation used him, Ali's draft refusal was their way of flexing their political might, did you also read the chapters that dealt with Malcolm X as as well?

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              #7
              Interesting. That says something about the Nation of Islam at that time, and how extreme they appeared to even someone like Muhammad Ali.

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                #8
                Originally posted by bojangles1987 View Post
                Interesting. That says something about the Nation of Islam at that time, and how extreme they appeared to even someone like Muhammad Ali.
                It was after the Malcolm X's assasination, so Ali knew what could happen to him if he ever went against them. Ali's Press secretary Leon 4X, who had close ties to Malcolm X, was also killed soon after Malcolm X's assasination as well

                Ali had basically thrown both of them to the wolves as well

                Malcolm X is a traitor
                -Muhammad Ali

                If they think people want to kill them, maybe its because they deserve to be killed
                -Muhammad Ali talking about Malcom X and Leon 4X
                Last edited by Toney616; 08-21-2010, 06:55 AM.

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                  #9
                  "Turning my back on Malcolm X was one of the mistakes that I regret most in my life." - Muhammad Ali

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by -D33Pwaters- View Post
                    "Turning my back on Malcolm X was one of the mistakes that I regret most in my life." - Muhammad Ali
                    Ali has never comes to terms with his role in Malciolm X's death or the fact that he could of at least made an attempt to stop it.

                    Stop this, you can see what they are doing to my husband
                    -Betty Shabazz(Malcom X's wife)
                    We are doing nothing to him
                    -Muhammad Ali

                    Ali of course meant that: threating phonecalls, firebombs and open calls for Malcolm X's death is nothing

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