Some questions for the boxing historians here

[Toney616]

When you evaluate a fighters career how do you take the following things into account:

Losses
Fighting while way past prime/shot
"Missing" certain opponents
Fights you think the fighter deserved to win
Dominating a weak division

[StarshipTrooper]

When you evaluate a fighters career how do you take the following things into account:

Losses
Fighting while way past prime/shot
"Missing" certain opponents
Fights you think the fighter deserved to win
Dominating a weak division

Well, I really don't count past-prime losses to top opposition as a past-prime fighter is SUPPOSED to lose to top opponents.....Past-prime wins over top opposition gets a fighter extra credit since they're winning when they're supposed to lose.

In-Prime losses it just deponds on who they lose to and under what circumstances.

Missing certain opponents it really just depends on the circumstances since no fighter that I can think of has been able to get to EVERYONE in their division. A particularly egregious "ducker" would lose points in my book though.

Fights they lost that I thought they should have won I pretty much treat as a wash that neither helps or hurts them.

Dominating a weak division loses points with me as I put a big premium on quality of opposition......Not just who you fight but when you fight them. It isn't enough to have a big name in your win column it has to be an in-prime big name for you to get full credit for it.

Poet

[Toney616]

Well, I really don't count past-prime losses to top opposition as a past-prime fighter is SUPPOSED to lose to top opponents.....Past-prime wins over top opposition gets a fighter extra credit since they're winning when they're supposed to lose.

good point

In-Prime losses it just deponds on who they lose to and under what circumstances.

Duran vs Leoanrd II, whats your take on that?

Missing certain opponents it really just depends on the circumstances since no fighter that I can think of has been able to get to EVERYONE in their division. A particularly egregious "ducker" would lose points in my book though..

Its really hard to prove ducking, although certain fighters have tended to "miss" certain kinds of opponents. Khan-Maidana comes to mind

Fights they lost that I thought they should have won I pretty much treat as a wash that neither helps or hurts them.

I can agree with that

Dominating a weak division loses points with me as I put a big premium on quality of opposition......Not just who you fight but when you fight them. It isn't enough to have a big name in your win column it has to be an in-prime big name for you to get full credit for it.

Poet

What do you think of Hopkins overall level of oppostion at mw?


Thanks for this post as well

[McGoorty]

When you evaluate a fighters career how do you take the following things into account:

Losses
Fighting while way past prime/shot
"Missing" certain opponents
Fights you think the fighter deserved to win
Dominating a weak division

Yes to all of the above,,... among other things.