Retaliation stories.

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This above is a great performance by Hopkins, and also a very dirty fight filled with retaliation on all sides.

I am surprised people spend their time yapping on last weekend's incident. NSB is filled with that BS, there is an article on the main page by some idiot who interviewed of all people... Holyfield of all people!

Retaliation is as old as cheap shots, and hence older than the sport. It has always been in boxing. It is the other side of fouling, and the reason great fighters rarely complain about fouling.

Let's talk about it with some interesting episodes.

This kind of thing happens all the time, and it starts in the gym on a smaller scale... young guy pulls some **** (usually not headbutts lol) while sparring the local top dog. What happens after that? Apologies and kisses? Nope... **** goes around, and it hurts.

It is hard to understand from a couch I guess... but one should know at least by watching boxing that most fighters don't let dirty **** go unpunished, and the punishment doesn't necessarily involve following written, much less unwritten, rules.

While there is no need to praise the guy who exacts revenge, it is also quite pathetic for "boxing fans" to cry about it like b1tches for days and weeks.

Anyways back to the point.

My fav retaliation job is in the last years is Hopkins going all-out street (more than his usual) on Echols after the bodyslam in their 2nd fight. The wrestlejob was in turn a retaliation/frustration move. After that Hopkins, threw caution to the wind and hit Echols with every possible foul shot, and even got a point deducted.

Last weekend one was quite perfect for Mayweather (No broken rules and a KO, it must have been pretty sweet), but from a fan POV it had the drawback of lasting 1 second. So those 4 rounds of punishment Hopkins-Echols 2 stay on top for me, at least in recent years.

What is your favorite retaliation job of recent and old times? Post a video if you have it. Gym stories are fine too!

[TheGreatA]

I'd say the best retaliations are when you get fouled, get back to boxing and prove you are the better man without lowering down to the opponent's level of operating. Sometimes you can get away with retaliations, sometimes you cannot. With an opponent that is trying to take you off your game, it's better to keep a cool head than to lose your temper. In the old times Fritzie Zivic and nowadays Hopkins are masters of using retaliation attempts against their opponents.

I'm not saying I don't enjoy the occasional crafty trick or two, but punching out a defenseless opponent who is trying to hug you in apology does not appeal to me. Perhaps it would have been different had Mayweather not answered to Ortiz's attempts to apologize only to throw him off guard. Hopkins certainly did not hide his contempt for Echols and Echols (Ortiz too) can only blame himself for looking away from an opponent that is likely trying to tear your head off.

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I'd say the best retaliations are when you get fouled, get back to boxing and prove you are the better man without lowering down to the opponent's level of operating. Sometimes you can get away with retaliations, sometimes you cannot. With an opponent that is trying to take you off your game, it's better to keep a cool head than to lose your temper. In the old times Fritzie Zivic and nowadays Hopkins are masters of using retaliation attempts against their opponents.

I'm not saying I don't enjoy the occasional crafty trick or two, but punching out a defenseless opponent who is trying to hug you in apology does not appeal to me. Perhaps it would have been different had Mayweather not answered to Ortiz's attempts to apologize only to throw him off guard. Hopkins certainly did not hide his contempt for Echols and Echols (Ortiz too) can only blame himself for looking away from an opponent that is likely trying to tear your head off.

Episodes, episodes, episodes! Come on... and you also always have great videos! There must be something involving Pedroza for example, but I can't think of it.

As I said, the only thing I did not like about the Ortiz-Mayweather episode, was that it was short. Ortiz could apologize all he wanted, but he was butting and working the head on May's face since the beginning of the fight, and the final one was ridiculous. I would have liked better to see Mayweather pull every trick in the book for a few rounds, a la Hopkins. In Hopkins-Echols 2, I don't like that Hopkins was not exactly retaliating, as he was the one who started being dirty, from the first fight already. All of this being said I have appreciation for the methodical coldblooded abandoning of rules Hop and May put in place.

IMO once you leave fairplay out, you are responsible for starting a street fight, and you better be prepared. Anyways... episodes!

[joseph5620]

I'd say the best retaliations are when you get fouled, get back to boxing and prove you are the better man without lowering down to the opponent's level of operating. Sometimes you can get away with retaliations, sometimes you cannot. With an opponent that is trying to take you off your game, it's better to keep a cool head than to lose your temper. In the old times Fritzie Zivic and nowadays Hopkins are masters of using retaliation attempts against their opponents.

I'm not saying I don't enjoy the occasional crafty trick or two, but punching out a defenseless opponent who is trying to hug you in apology does not appeal to me. Perhaps it would have been different had Mayweather not answered to Ortiz's attempts to apologize only to throw him off guard. Hopkins certainly did not hide his contempt for Echols and Echols (Ortiz too) can only blame himself for looking away from an opponent that is likely trying to tear your head off.

Unless I missed something I never saw Mayweather "answer " Ortiz hugs.

[TheGreatA]

Unless I missed something I never saw Mayweather "answer " Ortiz hugs.

[IronDanHamza]

Looks to me like he's tapping his glove and nodding his head to once again adknowledge his 3rd apology and then puts his hands up to fight.

Mayweather isn't a nice guy in the ring and I'm sure Ortiz must have known that and watched endless tapes of him I mean they know he isn't a clean fighter they mentioned it so many times in the build up.

I don't think Mayweather thought that he would knock him out with that punch either.

[jabsRstiff]

Pernell Whitaker pulled Roger Mayweather's already low trunks all the way down. Roger retaliated by dropping Pea with a right, and then giving him another right in the face as he was on all fours.

[The Surgeon]

Pernell Whitaker pulled Roger Mayweather's already low trunks all the way down. Roger retaliated by dropping Pea with a right, and then giving him another right in the face as he was on all fours.

Lol i actually watched that last night!

[The Surgeon]

Looks to me like he's tapping his glove and nodding his head to once again adknowledge his 3rd apology and then puts his hands up to fight.

Mayweather isn't a nice guy in the ring and I'm sure Ortiz must have known that and watched endless tapes of him I mean they know he isn't a clean fighter they mentioned it so many times in the build up.

I don't think Mayweather thought that he would knock him out with that punch either.

This is pretty much how i see it too Dan

[StarshipTrooper]

Looks to me like he's tapping his glove and nodding his head to once again adknowledge his 3rd apology and then puts his hands up to fight.

Mayweather isn't a nice guy in the ring and I'm sure Ortiz must have known that and watched endless tapes of him I mean they know he isn't a clean fighter they mentioned it so many times in the build up.

I don't think Mayweather thought that he would knock him out with that punch either.

I wouldn't be shocked if Ortiz was expecting the retaliation and was hoping to cop a cheap DQ win out of it ala Norris - Santana.

Poet