Why do so many hardcore boxing fans like to pretend that De La Hoya isn't an ATG?

[Left2theliver]

I don't see why he wouldn't be an ATG, he fought some of the best and beat them, won numerous titles, and was able to bring new fans into boxing.

[Dubbed90]

Care to explain why ****in faceplam?

If De La Hoya gets left out the list. There's no way on hell the likes of Pacquiao gets in.

What has Pacquiao achieved, putting aside his limited technique and ability?

[Welsh Jon]

If De La Hoya gets left out the list. There's no way on hell the likes of Pacquiao gets in.

What has Pacquiao achieved, putting aside his limited technique and ability?

I never said Pacquiao was a top 100 atg and De La Hoya wasn't. I'm not prepared to make an all time top 100 list.

What I did say was that I ranked Pacquiao higher than I ranked Del La Hoya. Forget all the cherry-picking and the catch-weight bull**** of last few years and just remember how good he was beating Morales, Barrera and JMM (only their last fight was a robbery, I count his 1st victory over Marguez as genuine)

And I did say that De La Hoya was top 10 in the last 20 years, that's not much of an insult is it?

[rorymac]

I mean seriously, can you really name 100 boxers with greater career acheivments and a greater resume than Oscar? You would be hardpressed to find even 60-75 fighters more accomplished than Oscar.

Discuss.

Oscar's resume (in terms of who hes faced, not necessarily who he's beaten) is way way up there.

Hopkins
Mayweather
Chavez
Trinidad
Pacquiao

People disregard him as he had a tendency to lose his biggest fights, and because he was a bit of a 'poster boy' He always rose to the challenge, beat some true ATGs and brought a lot of popularity to the game. Definitely top 100 ATG.

[IronDanHamza]

Oscar's resume (in terms of who hes faced, not necessarily who he's beaten) is way way up there.

Hopkins
Mayweather
Chavez
Trinidad
Pacquiao

People disregard him as he had a tendency to lose his biggest fights, and because he was a bit of a 'poster boy' He always rose to the challenge, beat some true ATGs and brought a lot of popularity to the game. Definitely top 100 ATG.

He clearly lost to 3 of them, arguably lost to 4 of them and the one he did win was against a guy who was more than past it.

Who he faced was great, yes. But, what does that mean? Why does it matter who he faced? Do you get ATG status for fighting the best? Or beating the best? Is Oakland Billy Smith an ATG? His "resume" for "who he faced" blows Oscar's out the water.

Why not just put his resume of wins? Instead of a list of great fighters that he lost to?

I'd say it's because if you put a list of his best wins it doesn't really support his case for ATG status.

[IronDanHamza]

I never said Pacquiao was a top 100 atg and De La Hoya wasn't. I'm not prepared to make an all time top 100 list.

What I did say was that I ranked Pacquiao higher than I ranked Del La Hoya. Forget all the cherry-picking and the catch-weight bull**** of last few years and just remember how good he was beating Morales, Barrera and JMM (only their last fight was a robbery, I count his 1st victory over Marguez as genuine)

And I did say that De La Hoya was top 10 in the last 20 years, that's not much of an insult is it?

It's more than generous.

Manny Pacquaio is obviously a greater fighter than Oscar.

Not even debatable.

[New England]

the impact of this can't get overstated


personally i try and keep it from getting in the way of evaluating the guy, but you can see how that might be difficult for some and impossible for others


i mean just look at the picture on the left.
that's got to have something to do with some of it.

[Barn]

the impact of this can't get overstated


personally i try and keep it from getting in the way of evaluating the guy, but you can see how that might be difficult for some and impossible for others


i mean just look at the picture on the left.
that's got to have something to do with some of it.

I dropped him 20 places after seeing that.

[McGoorty]

I mean seriously, can you really name 100 boxers with greater career acheivments and a greater resume than Oscar? You would be hardpressed to find even 60-75 fighters more accomplished than Oscar.

Discuss.

seriously, there probably is 120 who were better,, or at least proved it amongst better competition, I concede that he was good but,,, but there is an enormous number of great and fantastic fighters to consider,, and too many dont consider enough of them,, it takes years and years of accumulated knowledge to have heard of them all, also,, that fishnet stocking thing he got polaroided in,, has gotta drop him down the list a bit,, I mean,, come on.

[69Lover]

I do also see him as a borderline ATG. He was lucky to have the golden boy image, the looks and some charisma. I really hate this kind of qualities when it comes to boxing and fighting, but it is important for the business side of boxing and for the Americans. Personaly I do not like him or guys like him (Ray Leonard), because the agenda they have while coming to the ring and making fights possible. As a fighter you always have to fight another invisible foe, but your stand alone in the ring.

But he would have been a bigger name if he wouldn't go up to 154, which was the same mistake Mosley and RJJ did.