History of the Heavyweights part 6 (Jack Johnson)

[Kid Achilles]

A beating does not have to be sustained. Otherwise the phrase "sustained beating" would be redundant which it is not. I don't quite know what you're trying to argue here, the definition of the word beating?

The punches Schmeling takes, especially to the back and sides are brutal and to anyone at ringside it was sickening. Obviously the film of it is no more sickening than Patterson sending Ingo into a a near coma or any other brutal knockdown but to everyone who was there to see it live, it was terrifying and sickening. I don't know the name of the gentleman who gave an account of the fight but he said he'll never forget the screams of agony that Schmeling made when struck while against the ropes.

I think that was a more devastating battering than Frazier received at the hands of Foreman (briefer yes, but Louis was a better and more effective puncher than Foreman). Frazier himself considered that fight a stoppage more than a demolition job. He believed he could have gone on. With Louis and Schmeling there was no chance of Max even conceiving that he'd be able to continue.

[smasher]

I think that was a more devastating battering than Frazier received at the hands of Foreman (briefer yes, but Louis was a better and more effective puncher than Foreman). Frazier himself considered that fight a stoppage more than a demolition job. He believed he could have gone on. With Louis and Schmeling there was no chance of Max even conceiving that he'd be able to continue.

After sending Schmeling to the ropes, Louis landed 4 body punches and 4 head shots.

When the referee seperated them Louis dropped Schmeling with 1 head shot.

When Schmeling got up he was sent down with 1 jab and 1 right hand, both head shots. Louis did not go to a neutral corner and stood a few feet back while the referee wiped Schmeling's gloves.

Schmeling was sent back down by 1 body punch and 1 right hand to the head.

That's 7 power shots to the head and one jab, and 5 body shots.

Surprisingly I was able to watch it without a barf bag.

[butterfly1964]

After sending Schmeling to the ropes, Louis landed 4 body punches and 4 head shots.

When the referee seperated them Louis dropped Schmeling with 1 head shot.

When Schmeling got up he was sent down with 1 jab and 1 right hand, both head shots. Louis did not go to a neutral corner and stood a few feet back while the referee wiped Schmeling's gloves.

Schmeling was sent back down by 1 body punch and 1 right hand to the head.

That's 7 power shots to the head and one jab, and 5 body shots.

Surprisingly I was able to watch it without a barf bag.

dang! that's some powerful punching there by the brown bomber.

[smasher]

dang! that's some powerful punching there by the brown bomber.

Joe's body punches were 2 left hooks to the pit of the stomach and two rights to the kidney/back area. The second right hand to the back was likely was the one that caused Schmeling's injury. Schmeling can noticeably be seen to yell out after this shot.

Schmeling was unable to defend himself after the injury and was essentially a sitting duck. All of Joe's power head shots were with the right hand.

[butterfly1964]

Joe's body punches were 2 left hooks to the pit of the stomach and two rights to the kidney/back area. The second right hand to the back was likely was the one that caused Schmeling's injury. Schmeling can noticeably be seen to yell out after this shot.

Schmeling was unable to defend himself after the injury and was essentially a sitting duck. All of Joe's power head shots were with the right hand.

joe louis was a baaaaaad man!

[mokele]

Joe Louis

How can you rate Holmes above Joe Louis? The only thing Holmes has going for him is longevity as champion (title defenses) and Louis beats him in that category too. I am curious to read how you can possibly justify this.

People who don't look carefully at the career of Joe Louis might overlook the fact that he lost 4 solid years off of his career to World War II (March 1942 through June 1946). Right before he enlisted he demonstrated a level of dominance of the heavyweight division that even Dempsey or Jack Johnson didn't achieve. If it wasn't for the war, Louis would in all probability have chalked up another 10 to 15 wins during that period. After the war ended Louis was not as dominant as he had been 4 years earlier. Although he beat Billy Conn easily and Tami Mauriello by 1st round ko he nearly lost to Jersey Joe Walcott in Dec. 1947. I remember watching an old talk show with Louis, Walcott and Tony Galento years after they all had retired, and Walcott still claimed that he won the 1st fight between himself and Louis.

[QueensburyRules]

=========There are boxing aficionados who put Jack Johnson above Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali in the all time list of heavyweight greats. The first black champion reigned for seven years, and it certainly would have been a lot longer had the likes of Jeffries and Burns not avoided meeting him for so long. As it was, Johnson had to wait until he was 30 to get his chance.===================================

** The rest of your article is equally littered with unsupported suppositions and misrepresentations. Did you write it yourself?

You assume Johnson would hold the title longer had he met Burns and Jeffries sooner. You're welcome to come up with your reasoning. Fact is that Johnson was busy losing to fringe contenders and novice fighters. Jeffries beat Griffin twice, knocking him out in one of Jeff's first fights. Johnson never could beat Griffin, losing to him once.

One of Jeff's earliest fights included a prime Choynski who Jeff held to a draw. A fading Choynski laid out Johnson cold. Johnson managed to overcome those losses and put together a 3 yr win streak, but then lost a title eliminator to Hart in a poor performance. He then preceded to lose his cool to an improving novice fighter, HOFer Jeannette, and lost by DQ. He lost his opportunity to fight for Jeff's vacant title with those losses.

Obviously Jeff met several of the top black contenders in his short career, so your comments regarding Jeff not fighting black fighters are also easily dismissed. Did you get your article from the introduction of A Great White Hope? Surely you must realize that was a fictionalized account of Johnson adapted for the stage.

- -Ye aulde Kerrminator an avid boxing fan with his heavyweight series, but Yeah, sorta blew this segment.

Oh well, it happens!

[Marchegiano]

I can't find part 8

[QueensburyRules]

I can't find part 8

- -U look behind the 8 Ball yet?

[HOUDINI563]

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