Best of these three boxers: Eubank, Collins and Benn

[The Hammer]

How old was Tyson when he was considered past it?

Like Tyson, Eubank's decline was mental because of his fight against Michael Watson. The only argument I see here is Collins is better than either man because he beat them and was the younger man.

Collins is two years OLDER than Eubank and the same age as Benn.

Eubank wasn't shot at age 27. Do some people feel Eubank was better because he's English and Collins is Irish, regardless of who won?

Collins beat Eubank TWICE and yet some people refuse to acknowledge he was the better fighter.

[LacedUp]

Boxers do age differently, but OBVIOUSLY age is a factor.

Few fighters are "washed up" at age 27 and very few are not over the hill by age 40.
No, I said Klitschko looked old in recent fights, especially against Jennings.

I thought Fury had a good chance of winning against the over-the-hill Wlad, and posted that opinion several times.

However, if I was to post Wlad lost to Sanders because he was "over the hill" at age 28, then that would be a silly fanboy excuse. Or Vitali lost to Byrd because he was "worn out" at age 29, that would be fanboyism at it's worst.

It's less difficult to believe Benn was past his best at age 30, but no way was Eubank over the hill at age 27. Collins was simply the better fighter than Eubank, he had greater determination and more heart.

Obviously. but if you, like Wlad, can avoid wars then longevity is enhanced. Eubank took an absolute beating in both Watson fights and were in wars against Benn. He put Watson in a coma and nearly retired. He was NEVER the same after that. Collins hadn't suffered anything like that in any of his fights.

These are funnily enough the same guys who said Klitschko would win with ease - Although Freedom did say otherwise.

Well, I'm not so sure since many people believed Eubank actually won the first fight knocking down Collins a couple of times. But whatever.

Eubank was at his best in early 90s, not against Collins.

[Humean]

I've always been Nigel Benn man, he was my first boxing hero but it has got to be Eubank. Collins was better at 168 than at 160, his lack of speed wasn't so much of a problem but Eubank was the most talented. When Collins defeated Eubank Eubank was slightly best his best, albeit still very able. Eubank was one of those guys who did just enough to win which meant he had a number of close fire fights with lesser opposition. However he had the talent and skills to put it out against the better opposition when it was needed.

[The Hammer]

Obviously. but if you, like Wlad, can avoid wars then longevity is enhanced. Eubank took an absolute beating in both Watson fights and were in wars against Benn. He put Watson in a coma and nearly retired. He was NEVER the same after that.

Klitschko actually was in wars.

He took SEVERE beatings against Sanders and Brewster, with multiple knockdowns, and there were all those rabbit punches from Sam Peter. He was down against other boxers as well (Pannell, Puritty, Williamson).

I think he recovered as a boxer and wasn't shot from all that because of being young. Wlad was in his 20s when all that happened.

In his 30s, he did take on a much more cautious style, and stopped taking a lot of punches, yet still he was cut against Brock and Thompson (first fight), and received a lot of body punches against Thompson and Jennings. Plus you should take into account all the punches taken in his hundreds of sparring sessions, and the lesser ability of an older body to deal with grueling training camps.

Eubank at age 27 had never been beaten up as badly as Klitschko had by age 30, and fighters that age rarely become shot because younger bodies recover more easily.

[LacedUp]

Klitschko actually was in wars.

He took SEVERE beatings against Sanders and Brewster, with multiple knockdowns, and there were all those rabbit punches from Sam Peter. He was down against other boxers as well (Pannell, Puritty, Williamson).

I think he recovered as a boxer and wasn't shot from all that because of being young. Wlad was in his 20s when all that happened.

In his 30s, he did take on a much more cautious style, and stopped taking a lot of punches, yet still he was cut against Brock and Thompson (first fight), and received a lot of body punches against Thompson and Jennings. Plus you should take into account all the punches taken in his hundreds of sparring sessions, and the lesser ability of an older body to deal with grueling training camps.

Eubank at age 27 had never been beaten up as badly as Klitschko had by age 30, and fighters that age rarely become shot because younger bodies recover more easily.

Being knocked down is not the same as being in a war. Wladimir has never been in a war. Ever. The Peter fight definitely wasn't a war and neither was the sanders fight. He took some clean shots in the Brewster fight, but again, it wasn't a war.

For some reason you want to make it out as if Wlad has been in tougher fights than he has. That's fine if you think so.

I just disagree. And don't understand why you keep mentioning age as it has nothing to do with it.

[M Bison]

He didn't beat them when they were at their best, in fact nowhere near really.

My vote goes to Eubank who beat Benn when Benn was at his best. He also came back and beat Michael Watson, a superb fighter, the second time around but unfortunately injured him for good.

Number two spot would be Benn for me. Beat Iran Barkely and of course one of the scariest fighters of all times in Gerald McLellan and getting punched through the ropes and came back to win - Something that probably hasn't happened in a championship fight since Jack Dempsey Vs Firpo.

Great fighter Benn was, I would love to put him ahead of Eubank but can't since he obviously lost when at his best to Eubank. Probably lost the rematch though when Eubank had lost his killer instinct.

Steve Collins would be my third choice.

Sort of like Tyson Fury never beat Wladimir while he was at his best, glad we agree on that.

[M Bison]

Being knocked down is not the same as being in a war. Wladimir has never been in a war. Ever. The Peter fight definitely wasn't a war and neither was the sanders fight. He took some clean shots in the Brewster fight, but again, it wasn't a war.

For some reason you want to make it out as if Wlad has been in tougher fights than he has. That's fine if you think so.

I just disagree. And don't understand why you keep mentioning age as it has nothing to do with it.

How many fights has Wladimir fought in his pro career?
How many fights did Eubank and Benn have when they fought Collins?

Wladimir 67 fights by the time he fought Tyson Fury, Wladimir was in many hard fights contrary to what you might believe sure he might have won nearly everyone and looked pretty dominant but he was getting hit there is such a thing called accumulation.
So Wladimir 67 fights and 39 years of age

Nigel Benn 46 fights and 32 years of age, pretty young tbh
Eubank 44 fights and 29 years of age, this is young

So Wladimir was 10 years older than Eubank, started his professional career earlier than Benn, Benn being 23 when he started Wladimir 20 and Eubank starting when he was 19...
Hmmm all the evidence is going totally against you.

[Elroy1]

How many fights has Wladimir fought in his pro career?
How many fights did Eubank and Benn have when they fought Collins?

Wladimir 67 fights by the time he fought Tyson Fury, Wladimir was in many hard fights contrary to what you might believe sure he might have won nearly everyone and looked pretty dominant but he was getting hit there is such a thing called accumulation.
So Wladimir 67 fights and 39 years of age

Nigel Benn 46 fights and 32 years of age, pretty young tbh
Eubank 44 fights and 29 years of age, this is young

So Wladimir was 10 years older than Eubank, started his professional career earlier than Benn, Benn being 23 when he started Wladimir 20 and Eubank starting when he was 19...
Hmmm all the evidence is going totally against you.

As it usually does..

But ya can't keep a good nut bag down!

[Suckmedry]

So Benn was worn out and Collins was prime despite them being the same age?

And age 27 Eubank was over the hill when he fought age 29 Collins?

But age 39 (nearly 40) Klitschko is not "worn out" or "over the hill" when he fights age 27 Fury?

i see you are still yet to grasp the concept of fighters ageing differently. You truly are one of the ******est people on here.

[LacedUp]

How many fights has Wladimir fought in his pro career?
How many fights did Eubank and Benn have when they fought Collins?

Wladimir 67 fights by the time he fought Tyson Fury, Wladimir was in many hard fights contrary to what you might believe sure he might have won nearly everyone and looked pretty dominant but he was getting hit there is such a thing called accumulation.
So Wladimir 67 fights and 39 years of age

Nigel Benn 46 fights and 32 years of age, pretty young tbh
Eubank 44 fights and 29 years of age, this is young

So Wladimir was 10 years older than Eubank, started his professional career earlier than Benn, Benn being 23 when he started Wladimir 20 and Eubank starting when he was 19...
Hmmm all the evidence is going totally against you.

When you realize numbers and age is not the sole determining factor in a fighters freshnes, we can discuss boxing.

Until then..