Fighters with great movement but also great power

[OctoberRed]

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These days Toney moves slower than Fat Dan Rafael

[billeau2]

These days Toney moves slower than Fat Dan Rafael

Not when the blue plate special is coming out he doesn't!

[Blond Beast]

I can second that....

Hawk Time!

[Anthony342]

How about Tyson early in his career?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Crawford and Spence are guys that have that right now. Canelo too.

You think spence has great power? I really like him. I know I'll like him more at jr. ww.

Crawford will HURT you. Spence, not so much.

Lomachenko has them both beat by miles.

Canelo, really is just an attrition fighter.

Sorry to disagree with you. I am probably the wrong one here. I don't recall every seeing you say something which I disputed. But this seems wrong to me.

[Rusty Tromboni]

There's been many - but Acelino Freitas and Wilfredo Gomez are two that come to mind first, since movement and power were two qualities They were basing their entire style on.

yeah, Gomez was a Gene Kelly impersonator. With a jackhammer. So fun to watch.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Dempsey. He was sooo kinetic. Yeah, he was primitive. But his offense was amazing, and he was soooo mobile.

Otherwise, Robinson runs away with this one. He was much more modern/refined/complete than Dempsey because he came along 20 years later. Sure, he made lots and lots of errors, but got away with it because of his power and volume. And when that didn't work, he moved. Beautiful to watch.

Compare Williams, Charles and Hearns to Robinson. It all becomes so clear what set Ray apart from the rest.

Technically, Lomachenko is better, though:

1) More sound offensively.
2) Beats larger men than himself (no hot flashes), not smaller ones.
3) his movement is for coming forward, not going into retreat.

I cannot imagine Lomachenko losing to Robinson. Not P4P, not at Lightweight. Lomachenko is that good.

Others:

Tunney
Duran
Gomez
Jones
Leonard (Hearns KO says it all)
Patterson (if he KNEW how to move off the backfoot and had a better chin, he'd be top 20 P4P)
Benny Leonard - all the talk about his Boxing was mostly relative to the era. He was more Joe Louis than Willie Pep. the guy as a KO killer with wheels. Again, Dempsey was better offensively, but Leonard incorporated defense and mobility. Remember, people of that era heralded Jack Johnson for his defense. But when we watch him on film, he's rubbish. So Leonard, considering the era, appeared much more complete and defensively sound than Jack Dempsey. But he was very similar.

[Rusty Tromboni]

How about Tyson early in his career?

I dunno about mobile. But definitely kinetic. I honestly think he was mising 2 things:

1) inside fighting
2) boxing off the backfoot.

I'd never pick him to beat Ali. But everyone else, YES! Too bad Cuz D'amato passed away.

very kinetic and fluid.


Sal and Napoles were even better in that regard, though. A Heavyweight version of Sanchez makes Louis look like dog s h i t. Tyson cannot say that.

[New England]

i've seen some good ones, going to add names i dnd't see as i glanced the thread over

tyson
patterson
pacquiao
frazier

[Snoop Frog]

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love it