So Dempsey and Jack Johnson are cherry pickers

[JakeTheBoxer]

They never fought top black challengers when they were world champs. Jack Johnson is legit only when still fought for colored heavyweight championship. As a champ he fought white guys only with one exception, he fought Jim Johnson in Paris. But Jim Johnson was obviously worse than McVey, Jeanette, Langford, he lost against those guys. That is why he got a world title shot probably. Johnson fought Jeanette, McVey, Langford for colored championship only. dempsey fought white guys only when he was a champ.

Johnson is legit as colored world champ. Dempsey is not legit at all.

[Thunderstruck]

Sounds like somebody picked your cherry.

[GhostofDempsey]

Dempsey is 10x the fighter and champion than Fury is, LMAO!

Dempsey signed two legit contracts to fight Wills, but the money promised was never delivered. Third time around was too late, another bluff by Wills' people to get the fight made but Dempsey took on a much tougher opponent in Tunney. Not sure how you would consider Tunney and Sharkey a "cherry-pick" after a three year layoff, but you seem like a casual and likely just trolling now.

[travestyny]

Dempsey is 10x the fighter and champion than Fury is, LMAO!

Dempsey signed two legit contracts to fight Wills, but the money promised was never delivered. Third time around was too late, another bluff by Wills' people to get the fight made but Dempsey took on a much tougher opponent in Tunney. Not sure how you would consider Tunney and Sharkey a "cherry-pick" after a three year layoff, but you seem like a casual and likely just trolling now.

False. Just a reminder that Dempsey broke the contract for the match and the money was there waiting for him, EXACTLY as the contract stipulated.

You're still spreading false information, but that's not surprising.

Does this look like a bluff to you?

Dempsey didn't want it, but he acknowledged it. So I guess you can't say it didn't exist now.

Stop lying. You should be ashamed of yourself for repeatedly spreading lies in the history section.

[GhostofDempsey]

False. Just a reminder that Dempsey broke the contract for the match and the money was there waiting for him, EXACTLY as the contract stipulated.

You're still spreading false information, but that's not surprising.

Does this look like a bluff to you?

Dempsey didn't want it, but he acknowledged it. So I guess you can't say it didn't exist now.

Stop lying. You should be ashamed of yourself for repeatedly spreading lies in the history section.

Lying? Nope. Just another inconvenient truth you cannot accept. Dempsey accepted two contracts to fight Wills WHILE WILLS WAS STILL IN HIS PRIME, and to no fault of his own the money that was promised to him was never delivered. It's funny that you made excuses for Johnson not fighting Langford when he had a signed contract in 1909. He demanded more money after signing the contract and then ducked, but you made excuses for him. Yet you expect Dempsey to commit to a fight when money that was promised to him is not delivered.

By the time the third offer came along, Wills was past it, and his brutal losses to Sharkey and Uzcudun are proof of that. Dempsey walked away from a third offer and took a much more dangerous fight instead. You should be thankful because by 1926 Wills would have taken a thrashing.

Keep calling people liars because they won't believe your revisionist history. We all know you have an axe to grind with me which what drew your attention to Dempsey in the first place. You didn't even know he existed until I was a member of this site.

So now we'll see 40 more pages of you calling me a liar while posting your same old tired articles while trying to "win" another argument. Why do I feel like you put the OP up to this? It's got your stink all over it, LOL.

[travestyny]

Lying? Nope. Just another inconvenient truth you cannot accept. Dempsey accepted two contracts to fight Wills WHILE WILLS WAS STILL IN HIS PRIME, and to no fault of his own the money that was promised to him was never delivered.

Again, false. I just showed you it above, right? Why are you still lying as if it's not sitting right there?

It's funny that you made excuses for Johnson not fighting Langford when he had a signed contract in 1909. He demanded more money after signing the contract and then ducked, but you made excuses for him. Yet you expect Dempsey to commit to a fight when money that was promised to him is not delivered.

I didn't make any excuse. I said Johnson should have honored the contract. But to put it in perspective....Johnson's contract was for $5,000. Dempsey's contract was for $800,000. I'll let you do the math

Let me help you out. It was more than his guarantee for Tunney.

By the time the third offer came along, Wills was past it, and his brutal losses to Sharkey and Uzcudun are proof of that. Dempsey walked away from a third offer and took a much more dangerous fight instead. You should be thankful because by 1926 Wills would have taken a thrashing.

False information. The Sharkey fight occurred after Dempsey broke the contract to fight Harry Wills.

Keep calling people liars because they won't believe your revisionist history.

I've been contacted by respectable posters here that told me they DO believe what I say regarding Dempsey Wills, so no idea where you got that from buddy. Here's an example since, you know, I do back up everything I say.

I'll be honest. I just wanted to add that because I know it burns you. Sorry.

But I can't take credit. It's not "my history." It's simply history. The truth. I back up everything I say, unlike you who lies and pulls things from his ass. Isn't that right?

We all know you have an axe to grind with me which what drew your attention to Dempsey in the first place. You didn't even know he existed until I was a member of this site.

You give yourself too much credit. I'll agree that I didn't know as much about him until you began mouthing off about other boxers. When I looked into his history, I noticed that you should keep your mouth shut. And again, I've backed up EVERYTHING.

So now we'll see 40 more pages of you calling me a liar while posting your same old tired articles while trying to "win" another argument. Why do I feel like you put the OP up to this? It's got your stink all over it, LOL.

You couldn't stay away because it hurts your feelings that I am telling the truth. Aren't I supposed to be on your ignore list


JUST STOP LYING IN THE HISTORY SECTION. It's pathetic!

[GhostofDempsey]

Again, false. I just showed you it above, right? Why are you still lying as if it's not sitting right there?




I didn't make any excuse. I said Johnson should have honored the contract. But to put it in perspective....Johnson's contract was for $5,000. Dempsey's contract was for $800,000. I'll let you do the math

Let me help you out. It was more than his guarantee for Tunney.



False information. The Sharkey fight occurred after Dempsey broke the contract to fight Harry Wills.




I've been contacted by respectable posters here that told me they DO believe what I say regarding Dempsey Wills, so no idea where you got that from buddy. Here's an example since, you know, I do back up everything I say.

I'll be honest. I just wanted to add that because I know it burns you. Sorry.

But I can't take credit. It's not "my history." It's simply history. The truth. I back up everything I say, unlike you who lies and pulls things from his ass. Isn't that right?




You give yourself too much credit. I'll agree that I didn't know as much about him until you began mouthing off about other boxers. When I looked into his history, I noticed that you should keep your mouth shut. And again, I've backed up EVERYTHING.





You couldn't stay away because it hurts your feelings that I am telling the truth. Aren't I supposed to be on your ignore list


JUST STOP LYING IN THE HISTORY SECTION. It's pathetic!

Several respectable members? Who Chollo and Shoulderroll? LOL. I don't care who contacted you with their opinions, nor do I care about your silly challenges and need to be right and have the last word.

You were on ignore, but you quoted me anyway. That's how you conduct yourself. E-stalking for attention and attrition. By the way, I've also been contacted by several "respected" members as you call it, and they agree with me. What does that prove?

Again, you've invested all of your faith into news articles, where the mantra of the era was "never let the truth get in the way of a good story". You read old unreliable news articles, I read thoroughly researched books. Checkers and chess. Plenty of proof out there that Dempsey agreed to two fights with Wills, but checks were bouncing and advances were never met. How many A-side fighters would still fight if the money wasn't there as promised? Certainly not Floyd or Jack Johnson. But, you're a guy who has to be right at all costs. Anyone who argues with you for pages on end only brings themselves down to your level.

[travestyny]

Several respectable members? Who Chollo and Shoulderroll? LOL. I don't care who contacted you with their opinions, nor do I care about your silly challenges and need to be right and have the last word.

You were on ignore, but you quoted me anyway. That's how you conduct yourself. E-stalking for attention and attrition. By the way, I've also been contacted by several "respected" members as you call it, and they agree with me. What does that prove?

Then I should ask you for proof, because you never come with any. Maybe you'll have a better time of proving that than you had proving that Joe Jeannette's manager would benefit from Joe Jeannette NOT fighting for the title.

And you put me on ignore, buddy. I didn't put you on ignore. Every time I see you lie around here, if I can help it, I'm going to feel free to correct you so that your lies aren't spread. I think any respectable poster should do the same.

Again, you've invested all of your faith into news articles, where the mantra of the era was "never let the truth get in the way of a good story". You read old unreliable news articles, I read thoroughly researched books. Checkers and chess. Plenty of proof out there that Dempsey agreed to two fights with Wills, but checks were bouncing and advances were never met. How many A-side fighters would still fight if the money wasn't there as promised? Certainly not Floyd or Jack Johnson. But, you're a guy who has to be right at all costs. Anyone who argues with you for pages on end only brings themselves down to your level.

Find me something more legit than a US court saying Dempsey broke the contract

We are unable to conceive upon what theory the defendant could contend that there was no contract, as it appears to be admitted in the proceeding here and bears his signature and the amounts involved are sufficiently large to have created a rather lasting impression on the mind of anyone signing such an agreement. It amounts, however, to a repudiation of the agreement and from that time on Dempsey refused to take any steps to carry out his undertaking.

Checkmate...?


AND WHY ARE YOU STILL IGNORING THE MONEY BEING PRESENT?

Do you want to look at the check, because here it is. Just tell us you don't believe your eyes

B. E. Clements of the Chicago Coliseum club backs up his injunction secured recently in Denver barring jack Dempsey from meeting Gene Tunney until the champion meets Harry Wills in a Chicago battle with a $300,000 guarantee check posted in Dempsey's favor with the Equitable Trust Co., of Chicago. Photo shewn, left to right: W. A. Nieol, cashier of the Equityable Trust Co., of Chicago; "Doc" Krone, promoter of Pat Carr'a Christmas Fund for Poor Kids, who will benefit from the fight funds; John F. Gordon, fight promoter, and B. E. Clements, president Chicago Coliseum club (shown presenting check to bank cashier).

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/117171729/

STOP LYING IN THE HISTORY SECTION!

[Willie Pep 229]

. . . like a small brush fire that keeps flaring up

[travestyny]

. . . like a small brush fire that keeps flaring up

I actually even thought it could have been baited by the TS....but when Dempsey posted with more lies, I felt I had a duty to respond.