Tony Galento vs Cleveland Williams

[BKM-]

Know your history. Galento was a feared puncher and only Louis ever knocked him down.

Galento was not the only one who knocked Louis down though.



Best most technically skilled HW ever. Completely open to a left by a fat slow turd.

[HOUDINI563]

Being knocked down is not an issue. It’s what you do when you get up that separates the great from the ATG fighters. Few were as great as Louis. Study up. You have the most ignorant opinion ever posted on any boxing forum. It’s totally unsupported by boxing historians and others who know the aport for 90 years. Being controversial does not make you intelligent. This opinion tells everyone you are quite dumb.

[BKM-]

Being knocked down is not an issue.

There's the Joe Louis special treatment. for literally every other boxer ever, being knocked down often is a sign that the fighter has issues technically as well as chinny. But for Louis? "Oh he was just cheeky". "Oh atleast he got up".

It’s what you do when you get up that separates the great from the ATG fighters. Few were as great as Louis.

I can name 6 @ HW, but lets not traumatise you more than I already have, all because of some valid Louis criticsm. Your whole world just came crashing down. How could someone not blindly worship the WW2 Vet/civil rights icon? My brain simly can't compute!

Now sit your old ass down. People are trying to enjoy these threads.

[HOUDINI563]

No. Idiot opinions not based upon prevailing expert opinion won’t ruin my weekend. You should ponder why you choose an alternative so vastly different than 99.9% of everyone else who are knowledgeable. You obviously have not done your homework. The last video I posted that illustrates Louis skills in slow motion is a start.

Again you just don’t understand the sport. Being placed in adverse positions and having the will to win to overcome is a sign of AT greatness. In actuality it is very difficult to achieve AT greatness unless a fighter exhibits this attribute. As an example Ali was not universally considered an ATG until his triumph over Foreman and then Frazier in Manila.

Study up and start to better understand the sport and it’s history. You can still do it. It takes great effort so it’s not an exercise for the lazy. Back in the 70’s I watch all the past greats on 8 mm film studying great defensive and offensive sequences literally frame by frame. With YouTube you have it easy assuming you have a high speed modem.

[BKM-]

No. Idiot opinions not based upon prevailing expert opinion won’t ruin my weekend. You should ponder why you choose an alternative so vastly different than 99.9% of everyone else who are knowledgeable. You obviously have not done your homework. The last video I posted that illustrates Louis skills in slow motion is a start.

Again you just don’t understand the sport. Being placed in adverse positions and having the will to win to overcome is a sign of AT greatness. In actuality it is very difficult to achieve AT greatness unless a fighter exhibits this attribute. As an example Ali was not universally considered an ATG until his triumph over Foreman and then Frazier in Manila.

Study up and start to better understand the sport and it’s history. You can still do it. It takes great effort so it’s not an exercise for the lazy. Back in the 70’s I watch all the past greats on 8 mm film studying great defensive and offensive sequences literally frame by frame. With YouTube you have it easy assuming you have a high speed modem.

You're projecting my friend, it is you who doesn't know anything about boxing history. You don't think anybody has noticed how you go about your ways here?

You have no ability to actually break down boxers and their fights. What you rely on is a good memory of factoids regarding the sport, I will give you that. You know time frames, you know a lot of name dropping, you know how to repeat common sayings. But you don't actually know anything about boxing itself.

I tested you yesterday with a question as simple as this, describe Joe Louis' defense to me? You could not answer me, not even a little bit. You side stepped it the entire time, deflected untill you ran away.

My posts about technical aspects and breakdowns of fights/fighters is everywhere in this section going back 14 years. Queensberryrules is commonly bumping those old threads. But you, Houdini? You know how to repeat what others have told you who's great, you know the dates, the names, the stories. But you don't truly know boxing.

You know the word poser? That's exactly what you are. A poser.

[HOUDINI563]

I can answer any technical question concerning every heavyweight champion. However their is no debate regarding Joe Louis. It’s like trying to debate someone who believes the chemical formula for water is something other than H2O. Why waste my time?

The videos I posted tell the tale nicely. Is there a reason you cannot watch them? They illustrate very nicely Louis great abilities to parry, slip, duck and then counter to vital areas of an opponents head and body. If you watch his bout with M Baer you will see Louis nimbly side step, box and counterpunch. Then seamlessly attacking for the KO. Watch the first KD of Buddy Baer who hid his chin behind his shoulder. Louis ducks a hook and at the same time digs his own hook as a counterpunch nearly breaking Buddy in half. This brought Barr’s chin ever so much up from behind his shoulder allowing Joe to land a pinpoint right hand on the button flooring the challenger.

I assume you cannot afford a high speed modem?

[HOUDINI563]

If the longer videos are a challenge here is a shorter one. This again illustrates Louis ability to slip, parry, duck and counter. Watch this and his bout with Max Baer where Louis nimbly side steps, parrys, blocks, ducks and counterpunches. A close look at both these bouts will put you on the right path. Long way to go if you are just starting to watch Louis fight but you need to begin somewhere. I first watched the Louis Baer bout back in 72. First normal motion then frame by frame.

[HOUDINI563]

Here:

[HOUDINI563]

Here is the complete Louis Baer bout.

Note the introduction. Shocking listening to old school mindset vs circa 1935. This is what needs to be considered looking back upon Blacks not getting a title shot for so many years.

Note the Louis sidestepping and defense...parry, slipping and the rapid machine gun like counterpunches. Louis well known triple hook that produced the second KD was actually a penta hook. The first two he threw long and they went my over Barr’s head. Louis then corrected, shortened his hook to form the final three blows producing the KD. I discovered all this in 1973, YOU?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Galento was not the only one who knocked Louis down though.



Best most technically skilled HW ever. Completely open to a left by a fat slow turd.

But how often was he wrong?


Kinda like Hagler.


He might pay the price, but he still won the reward when he doubled-down.


Obviously it's preferable to make adjustments. And people shouldn't make Louis into something he wasn't; he was flawed.


But look at his ability to dispatch of almost everyone ever put in front of him.

But Louis did