Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

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So you would give him credit?

We can only really know once they get in the ring.

Sure I would, In fact I would give him more credit than Wlad as I have him as an under-dog who is supposed to lose.

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If you watch the tape of the cunningham knockdown one interesting thing about Fury is when he falls his head is kept solid. That means that this really was a flash type knockdown, when someone is really hurt they lose control of the head. Fury was also smiling...Its just worth noting because it makes it even less questionable regarding Fury's chin.

The way this fight breaks down on the board fury is quite an underdog; more so than I would imagine actually. It means two things: usually the boards pick right in a fight like this. Its a common thing with human nature: as a group we have evolved to be a lot smarter than as individuals. When a sufficient amount of information is known about a fighter we become smarter and the smart money is speaking loud and clear.

So Fury is a real live underdog, in a big way...anyone know the odds on this so far? I wonder if they eclipse the 7 to 1 type stratosphere that Ali went into the first Liston fight against.

I really do think Fury will suprise but am a bit shocked at the prognostication of the pundits! It is probably also because Fury will not likely get a decision against Vlad where they are fighting...Fury is not thought to have much power...wala!

Fury really should be ready to go for it if he wants to win. All Vlad needs to do is be standing after twelve rounds pretty much. Fury needs to risk it all if he really wants the belt.

A KD is a KD and Wlad was never dropped by mediocre cruiserweight puncher like Cunningham. If a question as to who has the better chin, I would have to go with Wladimir there.

That said, I agree that Fury either was never hurt or regained his senses extremely fast after getting caught by that overhand right.

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Sure I would, In fact I would give him more credit than Wlad as I have him as an under-dog who is supposed to lose.

OK fair enough. I think Fury would deserve a lot more credit also. But if he wins, my guess is people will say Wlad was old and over the hill.

A KD is a KD and Wlad was never dropped by mediocre cruiserweight puncher like Cunningham. If a question as to who has the better chin, I would have to go with Wladimir there.

That said, I agree that Fury either was never hurt or regained his senses extremely fast after getting caught by that overhand right.

Fury was knocked down hard. I don't know why there's a need to discuss this. He was also on shaky legs when he got up, just did well to show some heart and recover. but he was definitely dropped hard.

Wlad has been dropped by fighters he shouldn't have also. No point in denying that. But so have every other champion in history - pretty much. It happens in boxing.

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OK fair enough. I think Fury would deserve a lot more credit also. But if he wins, my guess is people will say Wlad was old and over the hill.



Fury was knocked down hard. I don't know why there's a need to discuss this. He was also on shaky legs when he got up, just did well to show some heart and recover. but he was definitely dropped hard.

Wlad has been dropped by fighters he shouldn't have also. No point in denying that. But so have every other champion in history - pretty much. It happens in boxing.

I don't think Wlad is at his absolute physical best anymore, but to beat him and end this historic reign, even at 39 I consider a huge accomplishment. To me Fury would instantly become the no. 1 heavy in the world and the man to beat. Not to mention, one of the best British heavies of all time.

To put this into context, look at how old Vitali was when he retired, still looking pretty much unbeatable. Those are the same genes were talking about here. I still consider Wlad in his personal prime. He has shown no signs of aging in the ring. If anything he's just more mature and fights realistically based on his size and attributes. Nobody faults Floyd for it, nor should they fault Wladimir. In my opinion, of course.

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I don't think Wlad is at his absolute physical best anymore, but to beat him and end this historic reign, even at 39 I consider a huge accomplishment. To me Fury would instantly become the no. 1 heavy in the world and the man to beat. Not to mention, one of the best British heavies of all time.

To put this into context, look at how old Vitali was when he retired, still looking pretty much unbeatable. Those are the same genes were talking about here. I still consider Wlad in his personal prime. He has shown no signs of aging in the ring. If anything he's just more mature and fights realistically based on his size and attributes. Nobody faults Floyd for it, nor should they fault Wladimir. In my opinion, of course.

Wlad is definitely not in his prime. I thought his prime ended with the Haye fight. I haven't seen him look as quick and strong as that since imo. But yeah, what I mean is that Wlad is still considered a firm favourite despite him being out of his prime.

If you look at Vitali from the Charr/Chisora fight and look at him vs Sam Peter in 2008 or even worse against Danny williams in 2004 or whenever it was, I think most would agree he had seen his fair share of decline. but he was still way better than his opposition. I think if Vitali that fought Charr had faced off against a Haye/Fury or even Wilder or someone like that, I'm not sure he would come out on top.

I think we've seen some ageing with Wlad particularly against Jennings, Povetkin and stages of the Pulev fight.

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Wlad is definitely not in his prime. I thought his prime ended with the Haye fight. I haven't seen him look as quick and strong as that since imo. But yeah, what I mean is that Wlad is still considered a firm favourite despite him being out of his prime.

If you look at Vitali from the Charr/Chisora fight and look at him vs Sam Peter in 2008 or even worse against Danny williams in 2004 or whenever it was, I think most would agree he had seen his fair share of decline. but he was still way better than his opposition. I think if Vitali that fought Charr had faced off against a Haye/Fury or even Wilder or someone like that, I'm not sure he would come out on top.

I think we've seen some ageing with Wlad particularly against Jennings, Povetkin and stages of the Pulev fight.

That's definitely possible, but I tend to think those were style issues for Wlad. Jennings was very athletic with superb head movement and Pulev is rangy and awkward. His snap and power still seemed plenty in tact to drop a very good, 2nd best heavy in Povetkin 4 times, even if the fight was pretty much unwatchable.

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That's definitely possible, but I tend to think those were style issues for Wlad. Jennings was very athletic with superb head movement and Pulev is rangy and awkward. His snap and power still seemed plenty in tact to drop a very good, 2nd best heavy in Povetkin 4 times, even if the fight was pretty much unwatchable.

That's definitely possible. I thought he had declined a lot vs Povetkin, but then followed it up with a good performance vs Leapai and a devastating KO vs Pulev.

There's a funny gif with his fight against Povetkin around. He lands a jab square in the face and then it slowmows the right hand just coming in like a missile, destined to take Povetkin's head off - but he misses by a very short margin.

I'm pretty sure Povetkin is still thankful that punch didn't land.

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Klitschko seemed to have declined against Jennings eventhough I think he clearly underestimated him and used wrong tactics and strategy.

We'll find out what he has got left in the tank on October 24th.

What really excites me about this fight is the absolute unpredictability of BOTH fighters. We certainly don't know what Fury will bring to the table but we also do not know at all what Klitschko will bring to the table. I expect both fighters using tools that they are unaccustomed too.

Also, I do not think that Fury will fight as a southpaw for the longest part of the fight. The reason being he cannot throw straight, hard and accurate punches through the middle.

I also do think that Wladimir knows he has to show up at his best shape possible. I expect him to weigh in around 112 kg

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