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    Advice please - experienced boxers only

    First of all, the reason i've specifically asked for experienced boxers only is because i'm not on about general questions, i'm on about things in the ring, not on the bag. I'd like to know how to do some things with a real person, not on a bag, and how you actually do them and not how you can do them.

    So today I had a "spar", was outweighed by quite abit, I would say I "won", landed more shots and more than would score and they even fell to their knees for a second but they did land a good amount of shots, esp' in the last where I was tired and at points became a jab absorber haha but the last punch pretty much summed it up, a hook from me to the side of their head which stunned them for a second, would have been a standing 8. I was sparring, which to me usually means create the movement of the shot and put a tiny bit of force behind it, not really go for it like it was a bout, know what I mean? This guy started seeing red by about the 3rd, by the 5th was trying to take my head off which I wont lie pissed me off...Alot, 'cus you can't say otherwise you sound like a ***** when they reply with the inevitable "i'm not!" when you can see them putting full power in. It's not the punches, if you can't take a proper punch then you should get out of boxing but it's the principle, get me?

    Anyway, here's what I noticed I need to sort out

    1) Sometimes when I threw a jab they were quick enough to counter, so just after mine landed on them, theirs landed on me. How do I prevent this? My guard was up, on my right and my shoulder was up to protect my chin but it's my left side of the face that was getting hit. I thought of covering up by placing my right hand palm forward over my face which did protect me but it obscured my vision. As a jab is a set up shot, basically I use it to try and open their guard, it's ****** to blind myself when throwing jabs otherwise I might aswell cover up like that and throw massive swings. So how do you lot protect yourself when going for the punches, esp' when you're using double or faster jabs? Moving backwards as you jab only works if they're moving forwards.

    2) People like to idolise a certain fighting style but at the end of it, but at the end of the day your body does often determine how you fight and it's best to work with that. I'm very good at ducking and slipping, managed to miss probably 50% of punches thrown but I still duck like a normal person, not a boxer. I move down with my knees and body and swing around abit, this often means they end up right infront of me (which is ok) but I end up at their side because as they fall forward from the shot and I come up, I end up, usually, on their left hand side. Then I usually hit their body, get up straight and use a hook but neither are powerful enough to score or hurt. So, A) What do I do when I end up like that? and B) How do I practice neat ducks and slips when i'm literally an inch away from their glove, so i'm perfectly ready to throw a counter? I mean I can stand infront of a mirror and practice ducks all day but I don't choose how to duck a shot when it comes, you don't have time, you're just all of a sudden somewhere else and you've ducked it.

    3) Messy exchange. When basically you both end up dropping your guard and exchanging numerous shots. I hate these, I don't like it when things aren't neat, I think you look like a girl fighting when this happens and, even more so, you have a serious chance of taking that big hit, but equally, so do they. How do I utilise these? So if it occurs, I don't want ot back away, but I don't want to stand there and keep throwing (unless you all say that's the usual), so what do you lot do to win these exchanges but with boxing not with either being able to take them on the chin more or be the lucky one which breaks the jab through or lands that haymaker.

    4) Getting on the inside. Ok, so i can do a hook on a bag...Wonderful, I bet that bag ****s itself whenever I walk in the gym or my garage right?...Yeah, ok...I'm not on about fighting on the inside, i'm on about actually getting there. Whenever I tried it just got rid of me, Tyson would go to the side and I remembered this and tried this, but I was on the outside and them in the centre so all they needed to do was pivot slightly and keep jabbing and I couldn't get there. So, how do I get there? I don't know whether i'm an inside or outside fighter yet, i'm still too new to want to commit myself and i'm still learning it and about how my body reacts best in fight situations. But even an outside fighter needs to know how to get on the inside and get those hooks in, because I can throw outside hooks ok, but it's getting in close enough to throw an actual hook I was having trouble with. Could just be the opposition though.

    Any help appreciated, but if you insist on commenting and don't have a great deal of actual ring experience, can you say so because I know how, in theory, to do all of this. I could read it, write it, do it on a bag, but i'm on about doing it in the ring.

    All help appreciated, thanks.
    Last edited by JayCoe; 08-15-2008, 09:04 PM.

    #2
    Originally posted by JayCoe View Post
    1) Sometimes when I threw a jab they were quick enough to counter, so just after mine landed on them, theirs landed on me. How do I prevent this? My guard was up, on my right and my shoulder was up to protect my chin but it's my left side of the face that was getting hit. I thought of covering up by placing my right hand palm forward over my face which did protect me but it obscured my vision. As a jab is a set up shot, basically I use it to try and open their guard, it's ****** to blind myself when throwing jabs otherwise I might aswell cover up like that and throw massive swings. So how do you lot protect yourself when going for the punches, esp' when you're using double or faster jabs? Moving backwards as you jab only works if they're moving forwards.
    When you throw your jab, try to make your left shoulder touch your chin, or if southpaw, your right. Keep your other hand up to the right of your chin. You are most likely to squared up and need to adjust that.

    Originally posted by JayCoe View Post
    2) People like to idolise a certain fighting style but at the end of it, but at the end of the day your body does often determine how you fight and it's best to work with that. I'm very good at ducking and slipping, managed to miss probably 50% of punches thrown but I still duck like a normal person, not a boxer. I move down with my knees and body and swing around abit, this often means they end up right infront of me (which is ok) but I end up at their side because as they fall forward from the shot and I come up, I end up, usually, on their left hand side. Then I usually hit their body, get up straight and use a hook but neither are powerful enough to score or hurt. So, A) What do I do when I end up like that? and B) How do I practice neat ducks and slips when i'm literally an inch away from their glove, so i'm perfectly ready to throw a counter? I mean I can stand infront of a mirror and practice ducks all day but I don't choose how to duck a shot when it comes, you don't have time, you're just all of a sudden somewhere else and you've ducked it.
    Use pivots more when they are comming up straight infront of you. You end up on their left side which is a good spot for you to come up with a left hook and a right cross.

    You can also do your shadow boxing with a rope tied from one side to another. Dip imbetween when you are throwing your combo's. Another practice is just have someone throw light shots at you, specially on the punching mits. This will get you use to reacting and what to do after that.

    Originally posted by JayCoe View Post
    3) Messy exchange. When basically you both end up dropping your guard and exchanging numerous shots. I hate these, I don't like it when things aren't neat, I think you look like a girl fighting when this happens and, even more so, you have a serious chance of taking that big hit, but equally, so do they. How do I utilise these? So if it occurs, I don't want ot back away, but I don't want to stand there and keep throwing (unless you all say that's the usual), so what do you lot do to win these exchanges but with boxing not with either being able to take them on the chin more or be the lucky one which breaks the jab through or lands that haymaker.
    It is all a part of experience and learning to keep your composure. When someone starts to get wild your best bet is backing up or using pivots, so you can see more clearly and give yourself more oppertunities. If you are a boxer and not a slugger, these exchanges are not for you to be involved in.


    Originally posted by JayCoe View Post
    4) Getting on the inside. Ok, so i can do a hook on a bag...Wonderful, I bet that bag ****s itself whenever I walk in the gym or my garage right?...Yeah, ok...I'm not on about fighting on the inside, i'm on about actually getting there. Whenever I tried it just got rid of me, Tyson would go to the side and I remembered this and tried this, but I was on the outside and them in the centre so all they needed to do was pivot slightly and keep jabbing and I couldn't get there. So, how do I get there? I don't know whether i'm an inside or outside fighter yet, i'm still too new to want to commit myself and i'm still learning it and about how my body reacts best in fight situations. But even an outside fighter needs to know how to get on the inside and get those hooks in, because I can throw outside hooks ok, but it's getting in close enough to throw an actual hook I was having trouble with. Could just be the opposition though.
    To get on the inside you will need good head movement, which relates back to question 2. You will also need to utilize your jab while moving in. Jab in while bobing and weaving. When you get inside, rip the hooks to the body. You can also try using the cross body defense when working on getting inside.

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      #3
      cheers man, awesome advice.

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        #4
        your answer probably isnt on the internet. Learn from experience. Dont go in the ring thinking you wanna try 1093293 things, try a few new things everytime you spar. You will learn everything and get better with more experience. Then when you fight you shoul be ready for war.

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          #5
          wow....jaycore, ive had this same questions myself, specially 3 and 4. you asked them in a perfect way, thanks a lot and thanks a lot Domey for the answers, im going to try your advices.
          thanks a lot

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            #6
            Originally posted by JayCoe View Post
            First of all, the reason i've specifically asked for experienced boxers only is because i'm not on about general questions, i'm on about things in the ring, not on the bag. I'd like to know how to do some things with a real person, not on a bag, and how you actually do them and not how you can do them.

            So today I had a "spar", was outweighed by quite abit, I would say I "won", landed more shots and more than would score and they even fell to their knees for a second but they did land a good amount of shots, esp' in the last where I was tired and at points became a jab absorber haha but the last punch pretty much summed it up, a hook from me to the side of their head which stunned them for a second, would have been a standing 8. I was sparring, which to me usually means create the movement of the shot and put a tiny bit of force behind it, not really go for it like it was a bout, know what I mean? This guy started seeing red by about the 3rd, by the 5th was trying to take my head off which I wont lie pissed me off...Alot, 'cus you can't say otherwise you sound like a ***** when they reply with the inevitable "i'm not!" when you can see them putting full power in. It's not the punches, if you can't take a proper punch then you should get out of boxing but it's the principle, get me?

            Anyway, here's what I noticed I need to sort out

            1) Sometimes when I threw a jab they were quick enough to counter, so just after mine landed on them, theirs landed on me. How do I prevent this? My guard was up, on my right and my shoulder was up to protect my chin but it's my left side of the face that was getting hit. I thought of covering up by placing my right hand palm forward over my face which did protect me but it obscured my vision. As a jab is a set up shot, basically I use it to try and open their guard, it's ****** to blind myself when throwing jabs otherwise I might aswell cover up like that and throw massive swings. So how do you lot protect yourself when going for the punches, esp' when you're using double or faster jabs? Moving backwards as you jab only works if they're moving forwards.

            2) People like to idolise a certain fighting style but at the end of it, but at the end of the day your body does often determine how you fight and it's best to work with that. I'm very good at ducking and slipping, managed to miss probably 50% of punches thrown but I still duck like a normal person, not a boxer. I move down with my knees and body and swing around abit, this often means they end up right infront of me (which is ok) but I end up at their side because as they fall forward from the shot and I come up, I end up, usually, on their left hand side. Then I usually hit their body, get up straight and use a hook but neither are powerful enough to score or hurt. So, A) What do I do when I end up like that? and B) How do I practice neat ducks and slips when i'm literally an inch away from their glove, so i'm perfectly ready to throw a counter? I mean I can stand infront of a mirror and practice ducks all day but I don't choose how to duck a shot when it comes, you don't have time, you're just all of a sudden somewhere else and you've ducked it.

            3) Messy exchange. When basically you both end up dropping your guard and exchanging numerous shots. I hate these, I don't like it when things aren't neat, I think you look like a girl fighting when this happens and, even more so, you have a serious chance of taking that big hit, but equally, so do they. How do I utilise these? So if it occurs, I don't want ot back away, but I don't want to stand there and keep throwing (unless you all say that's the usual), so what do you lot do to win these exchanges but with boxing not with either being able to take them on the chin more or be the lucky one which breaks the jab through or lands that haymaker.

            4) Getting on the inside. Ok, so i can do a hook on a bag...Wonderful, I bet that bag ****s itself whenever I walk in the gym or my garage right?...Yeah, ok...I'm not on about fighting on the inside, i'm on about actually getting there. Whenever I tried it just got rid of me, Tyson would go to the side and I remembered this and tried this, but I was on the outside and them in the centre so all they needed to do was pivot slightly and keep jabbing and I couldn't get there. So, how do I get there? I don't know whether i'm an inside or outside fighter yet, i'm still too new to want to commit myself and i'm still learning it and about how my body reacts best in fight situations. But even an outside fighter needs to know how to get on the inside and get those hooks in, because I can throw outside hooks ok, but it's getting in close enough to throw an actual hook I was having trouble with. Could just be the opposition though.

            Any help appreciated, but if you insist on commenting and don't have a great deal of actual ring experience, can you say so because I know how, in theory, to do all of this. I could read it, write it, do it on a bag, but i'm on about doing it in the ring.

            All help appreciated, thanks.
            1.as for the jab, turn your shoulder in towards your face as you throw it and tuck your chin in "look up through your eyebrows" is the expression
            2. as for perfecting ducking and slipping, its all timing, you will need to find the rhythm of their shots, this may involve taking a few on the head or gloves and then, when you feel you have adjusted to the speed of their shots make the small defensive movement (duck or a slip) and remember, as you duck, bend at your knees not your waist, keep your guard high and your head in a level position, its actually a foul to drop your head

            3. in toe to toe exchanges just focus on straight shots and keeping your gloves nice and high, if the hand isnt punchin it should be pressed against your cheekbones. also tuck your chin in of course, and vary your attack with bodyshots and the occasional hook or uppercut

            4. as for getting inside the best way is to step outside of their jab with your rear foot and counter with a cross over the top or to duck under their jab and go to the body, and keep the pressure on once you're in there

            but the best way to learn is of course experience, all the things anyone says over the internet wont fully fix these problems, you need to put these things into practice and take chances

            good luck in training

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