Best pound 4 pound of all time

[Brunswick Assassin]

Greb lost 21 times.

I do rate him #2 all time though, footage being the only thing to keep him out of the #1 spot.

I find this quite astonishing as to there being no footage of Greb!!! The guy fought 300+ fights and yet there's no footage??? Why is this so? I've seen footage of Greb sparing and drills but no actual fight footage. Let's not forget that those 21 losses on Greb's record are mostly attributed to those dreaded 'Newspaper' decisions. Greb also lost 5 of his fights after losing sight in one eye.

[Mike Tyson77]

Tyson usually was matched agsinst guys much bigger than him.............

[Sweet Pete]

I find this quite astonishing as to there being no footage of Greb!!! The guy fought 300+ fights and yet there's no footage??? Why is this so? I've seen footage of Greb sparing and drills but no actual fight footage. Let's not forget that those 21 losses on Greb's record are mostly attributed to those dreaded 'Newspaper' decisions. Greb also lost 5 of his fights after losing sight in one eye.

Supposedly there is footage, of his fight with Walker and even one against Tunney, but it is not disclosed to the public, as it is a private collection of just some random guy.

[Sweet Pete]

Tyson usually was matched agsinst guys much bigger than him.............

Damn good point, and I've thought of this a lot. If he was so damn good against guys so much bigger than him, and if the only guys anyone ever picks to beat him are so much bigger, how does he rank in a P4P sense, against guys like Duran and Hagler, were they his size?

[Brunswick Assassin]

Supposedly there is footage, of his fight with Walker and even one against Tunney, but it is not disclosed to the public, as it is a private collection of just some random guy.

I don't get this! This footage could be worth quite a bit maybe??? This person should post it on Youtube or some other video sharing website. It would be great to see why Greb was called The Human Windmill!

[sterling]

Oh no, he was a great, no doubt, top 50, probably top 40, but come on, top 10? There are many who deserve to be ahead of him, even as great as he was. As great as Chavez was, he wasn't top 10, though I have him in my top 20.

ok so your saying there is alot of boxers out there that would have enough heart to fight blind and ko opponants ? sam langford knocked out a tough mexican for the mexican heavywieght title and your saying thats easy? especially since he was blind i mean come on the guy was 5ft7 alot of people forget that.
Your saying alot of fighters can beat hofers,future champions from lightwieght - heavyweight? the guy even knocked down jack johnson and never got a rematch cause he was scared.
If a guy like jack dempsy says sam langford was the only real man he was scared of fighting then doesnt that say something about him.
He carried his speed , power and chin through all them divisions and even had gd defense but because of his size he would get hit alot by the 6ft heavywieghts 300 fights with most of them at heavywieght would hurt any 5ft7 fighter even when the heavywieghts mostly out wieghed him by 30 pounds cause he was small in wieght.
You think sugar ray robinson could of done what he did? sugar ray robinson could barely get a title at light heavywieght but sam was comfitable at light heavy and same with heavywieght.
Must i remind you of the eras? in sam's era the gloves were like gettin hit by a fist instead of a glove u think sugar ray could of took the blows sam took?
Sam stop fighting in his 40's but at the same time he could barely see so do you rearly think sugar ray robinson would of fought in his 40's and win when he could barely see?
When you compare the both sam wins tops.
Reason for this post was because not enough people remember this legend and he never gets much media attention.

[Sweet Pete]

ok so your saying there is alot of boxers out there that would have enough heart to fight blind and ko opponants ? sam langford knocked out a tough mexican for the mexican heavywieght title and your saying thats easy? especially since he was blind i mean come on the guy was 5ft7 alot of people forget that.
Your saying alot of fighters can beat hofers,future champions from lightwieght - heavyweight? the guy even knocked down jack johnson and never got a rematch cause he was scared.
If a guy like jack dempsy says sam langford was the only real man he was scared of fighting then doesnt that say something about him.
He carried his speed , power and chin through all them divisions and even had gd defense but because of his size he would get hit alot by the 6ft heavywieghts 300 fights with most of them at heavywieght would hurt any 5ft7 fighter even when the heavywieghts mostly out wieghed him by 30 pounds cause he was small in wieght.
You think sugar ray robinson could of done what he did? sugar ray robinson could barely get a title at light heavywieght but sam was comfitable at light heavy and same with heavywieght.
Must i remind you of the eras? in sam's era the gloves were like gettin hit by a fist instead of a glove u think sugar ray could of took the blows sam took?
Sam stop fighting in his 40's but at the same time he could barely see so do you rearly think sugar ray robinson would of fought in his 40's and win when he could barely see?
When you compare the both sam wins tops.
Reason for this post was because not enough people remember this legend and he never gets much media attention.

What are you talking about? I said in my first post that Langford ranks in my top 5. I was responding to someone else who had Zarate in his top 10. Did you even read my post or what I was responding to? Seriously, all you have to do is look at who I quoted.

[Burning Desire]

To be honest most of the fighters in top 10 of all time are fighters with little to no footage. Thats why i don't really like to judge on All Time P4P top 10.

[Sweet Pete]

To be honest most of the fighters in top 10 of all time are fighters with little to no footage. Thats why i don't really like to judge on All Time P4P top 10.

Well, to be fair, Greb is the only one with no footage. Mind if I see your top 10?

1. Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Sam Langford
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Roberto Duran
8. Ray Leonard
9. Barney Ross
10. Pernell Whitaker

Only Greb and Langford have very little to no footage on my list. But other considerations for top 10 like B. Leonard, Joe Gans, etc have very little footage.

[Burning Desire]

Well, to be fair, Greb is the only one with no footage. Mind if I see your top 10?

1. Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Sam Langford
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Roberto Duran
8. Ray Leonard
9. Barney Ross
10. Pernell Whitaker

Only Greb and Langford have very little to no footage on my list. But other considerations for top 10 like B. Leonard, Joe Gans, etc have very little footage.

See on your list, i can't find any footage of a prime Robinson, Langford, Charles, Greb, Armstrong, Ross, only highlights.