I've Lost Some Respect For Ali..

[Davros?]

And Foreman didn't fight Holmes when Holmes called him out. Everyone can be accused of ducking someone i tend to ignore all that sort of thing.

[boxingbuff]

Foreman was muttering about the ropes were to lose,the heat got to him,and Oh he was drugged,lol

Again,Foreman was in deep despair,and deeply depressed,in shock,over weight,out of shape etc. etc. after getting KO'd by Muhammad Ali.

He was in NO CONDITION to fight anyone,let alone Muhammad Ali.Foreman "slowly" came out of his funk,and started wanting a rematch with Ali.BUT he got beat by Jimmy Young.About 2 years after whipping Foreman,Ali himself was in no condition to keep fighting at a high level.But he did "call out" George Forman in early 1977 after deciding not to retire.

When Foreman made excuses about losing the first fight...The ropes were to lose,I was drugged,the heat got to me....Ali said:It wasn't the African weather,it was the Ali leather,lol

[Kid McCoy]

Foreman NEVER chased Ali for 3yrs nor did he ever look to get a rematch, Foreman was beaten so easily in Zaire that no-one called for a rematch and if it had ever happened Ali would have KOd Foreman within 6rds

Foreman most certainly did want a rematch. It's complete nonsense to say he didn't. He was in all the boxing magazines calling him out and on the front cover of Sports Illustrated calling him out. He called him out after all of his comeback fights. He also gatecrashed an Ali press conference and called him out to his face. Ali on the other hand never seemed willing to commit.

There were various big money offers being bandied around. In his '75 Playboy interview Ali mentioned an offer of $7.5m from an oil businessman to fight Foreman in Indonesia. Foreman mentioned a $5.5m-$4.5m offer in his '75 SI interview and claimed Ali wouldn't touch it.

Zaire was a close, gruelling fight where Ali came out on top. Ali admitted to being out on his feet without Foreman knowing and was pissing blood for days afterwards, so I don't buy all that stuff about him winning easily, or him winning a rematch easily, especially since the only fighters Ali KO'd within 6 rounds after Zaire were Jean-Pierre Coopman and Richard Dunn. I'd want see them fight several times before making anyone a gimme over George Foreman.

Foreman wanted it, the public wanted it, and it would have been a huge payday for both men. When you also consider that journeymen like Wepner, Coopman, Dunn and Evangelista all got undeserved title shots between 75-77, I don't see any reason why the fight shouldn't have happened.

[them_apples]

Ali beat him but I sure as hell wouldn't want to go through that hell again if I was Ali. he said so himself he was out on his feet a few times in the fight.

EDIT: someone beat me to it

[TheGreatA]

Ali beat him but I sure as hell wouldn't want to go through that hell again if I was Ali. he said so himself he was out on his feet a few times in the fight.

EDIT: someone beat me to it

He may have said that later but immediately after the fight he stated the fight was "easy" and that Foreman didn't hit nearly as hard as he thought.

It really didn't look like "hell" to me. The third Frazier fight was "hell", the Foreman fight was a sloppy fight which Ali was winning in my opinion.

He did take some powerful body punches, which mostly hit Ali's elbows (a testament to Foreman's power if it did hurt Ali that much), but the majority of the punches to the head missed. I can't find any moment in the fight in which Ali appears out on his feet.

[princemanspoper]

Perhaps you should grow a sack and rather than sticking your tail between your legs actually don't cower to old bitter men over the ****ing internet.

I know Joe frazier ducked George foreman for almost two years before he fought foreman.Just like he ducked ron lyle,mac foster,earnie shavers,leotis martin,al lewis and a washed up sonny liston ut that's an entirely different story

Zaire was a close, gruelling fight where Ali came out on top. Ali admitted to being out on his feet without Foreman knowing and was pissing blood for days afterwards, so I don't buy all that stuff about him winning easily, or him winning a rematch easily, especially since the only fighters Ali KO'd within 6 rounds after Zaire were Jean-Pierre Coopman and Richard Dunn. I'd want see them fight several times before making anyone a gimme over George Foreman.

pissing blood is irrelevant,I suppose at your age you do it regularly ali was still clearly ahead by the time of the stoppage,he was successfully countering of the ropes with the cleaner more effective blows throughout the entire fight to think otherwise shows great delusion

[princemanspoper]

It really didn't look like "hell" to me. The third Frazier fight was "hell",

Apart from being a boring and very overrated fight.It's been romanticized into their so called great trilogy,dramatized into being something it wasn't.A close competitive fight it most certainly wasn't,this was despite ali showing up to the fight as a bloated fat **** and giving his body to frazier during the middle rounds,frazier couldn't land anything but flailing arm thrusts with added sound effects.You compare ken nortons body work against ali in their third fight to fraziers and there's no comparison.Norton landed clean then again ken norton never got the gift of fighting a a rusty undefeated ali to base his entire legacy off like frazier

poor kenny

[TheGreatA]

Apart from being a boring and very overrated fight.It's been romanticized into their so called great trilogy,dramatized into being something it wasn't.A close competitive fight it most certainly wasn't,this was despite ali showing up to the fight as a bloated fat **** and giving his body to frazier during the middle rounds,frazier couldn't land anything but flailing arm thrusts with added sound effects.You compare ken nortons body work against ali in their third fight to fraziers and there's no comparison.Norton landed clean then again ken norton never got the gift of fighting a a rusty undefeated ali to base his entire legacy off like frazier

poor kenny

Sure.

Ali was in great shape as was Frazier. Frazier's body shots in that fight would have brought down just about anyone else other than Ali.

Norton based his legacy off Frazier left-overs.

[TheGreatA]

I know Joe frazier ducked George foreman for almost two years before he fought foreman.Just like he ducked ron lyle,mac foster,earnie shavers,leotis martin,al lewis and a washed up sonny liston ut that's an entirely different story

Foreman agreed to step aside for Frazier to fight Ali. Foreman was still a work in progress at the time.

Ron Lyle, Mac Foster and Earnie Shavers were Jerry Quarry victims when Frazier was still around. By the time they proved themselves as contenders (Foster never did), Frazier was shot.

Leotis Martin suffered a detached retina and retired.

Liston was a high risk/low reward opponent for a young Frazier. No one wanted to fight him because of the way he had lost to Ali.

Frazier ducked Al Lewis?

[Kid McCoy]

Ppissing blood is irrelevant,I suppose at your age you do it regularly ali was still clearly ahead by the time of the stoppage,he was successfully countering of the ropes with the cleaner more effective blows throughout the entire fight to think otherwise shows great delusion

lol, at my age? Do you know how old I am?

I suppose you're still giggling about the birds and the bees in biology and hoping Nellie Jenkins will give you a glimpse of her knickers behind the bike shed.

Delusion is thinking the way you saw a fight is the only way that fight can be seen. Ali never seemed that keen to get back in the ring with Foreman again, which is surprising considering how big the fight was and how easy some seem to think it would've been for him. It's almost like those Mayweather and Jones fans handing them easy internet wins over guys they turned down big money to face in reality.