I've Lost Some Respect For Ali..

[StarshipTrooper]

Apart from being a boring and very overrated fight.It's been romanticized into their so called great trilogy,dramatized into being something it wasn't.A close competitive fight it most certainly wasn't,this was despite ali showing up to the fight as a bloated fat **** and giving his body to frazier during the middle rounds,frazier couldn't land anything but flailing arm thrusts with added sound effects.You compare ken nortons body work against ali in their third fight to fraziers and there's no comparison.Norton landed clean then again ken norton never got the gift of fighting a a rusty undefeated ali to base his entire legacy off like frazier

poor kenny

Let's all play "Guess The Alt"!

Poet

[princemanspoper]

Yes,while it is easy to sneer at records in this day and age those particular fighters were ranked contenders,all of whom except shavers ranked during fraziers prime,they were sure as hell higher ranked than ron stander and terry daniels both of whom were never even in the top 20

lyle and foster were both due their title shots before being handed over to quarry(fraziers own personal gatekeeper)

leotis martin had been a top ranked contender for over a year before he even beat liston.Dave Zyglewicz was nowhere near the top ten yet he recieved a title shot against frazier,liston called out frazier and even managed to slip his way back into the top rankings during his comeback yet no response from frazier or his team,it was a fight the boxing media and fans wanted to see yet frazier wanted no part and al lewis did everything in their power to try and force a fight with razier almost coming close to a december 67 bout but to no avail,losing to stallings and martin didn't help his cause but razier avoided him none the less

In a great era stacked with huge punchers frazier managed to only step up against one

[them_apples]

He may have said that later but immediately after the fight he stated the fight was "easy" and that Foreman didn't hit nearly as hard as he thought.

It really didn't look like "hell" to me. The third Frazier fight was "hell", the Foreman fight was a sloppy fight which Ali was winning in my opinion.

He did take some powerful body punches, which mostly hit Ali's elbows (a testament to Foreman's power if it did hurt Ali that much), but the majority of the punches to the head missed. I can't find any moment in the fight in which Ali appears out on his feet.

I always here everyone saying he just hit arms...

i've watched the fight a few times, there were certain rounds when he was unloading some very very hard body shots on Ali. He looked sloppy for a good deal of the fight, but he did have moments.

Ali obviously downplayed Foreman after, thats what he does. trying to make his win seem even greater. He said he was just praying for George to get tired at times.

[princemanspoper]

lol, at my age? Do you know how old I am?

I suppose you're still giggling about the birds and the bees in biology and hoping Nellie Jenkins will give you a glimpse of her knickers behind the bike shed.

Delusion is thinking the way you saw a fight is the only way that fight can be seen. Ali never seemed that keen to get back in the ring with Foreman again, which is surprising considering how big the fight was and how easy some seem to think it would've been for him. It's almost like those Mayweather and Jones fans handing them easy internet wins over guys they turned down big money to face in reality.

And for good reason,that fight took alot out of ali,Physically and mentally he never looked the same in the ring and you would be hard pressed to find an impressive performance from him afterwards.he had to and did take a beating to the body,doesn't mean the fight was close based upon a round by round system.

I didn't mention mayweather so what's your point? I think you spend a little more time concerning yourself with floyd jr throughout the day than you should

Nellie Jenkins? I didn't grow up during the 1950's and I don't want to hear your sick antasies concerning your niece sunshine ok?

[TheGreatA]

Yes,while it is easy to sneer at records in this day and age those particular fighters were ranked contenders,all of whom except shavers ranked during fraziers prime,they were sure as hell higher ranked than ron stander and terry daniels both of whom were never even in the top 20

Stander knocked out Shavers. He was a good enough opponent for Norton to fight when Stander was coming off about 10 losses in a row.

The contenders are not supposed to lose to what was basically considered a Frazier left-over (Quarry) if they want a shot at the title.

lyle and foster were both due their title shots before being handed over to quarry(fraziers own personal gatekeeper)

They had their shot to become Frazier's top contender by beating a top ranked opponent (Quarry), and blew it.

leotis martin had been a top ranked contender for over a year before he even beat liston.Dave Zyglewicz was nowhere near the top ten yet he recieved a title shot against frazier,liston called out frazier and even managed to slip his way back into the top rankings during his comeback yet no response from frazier or his team,it was a fight the boxing media and fans wanted to see yet frazier wanted no part and al lewis did everything in their power to try and force a fight with razier almost coming close to a december 67 bout but to no avail,losing to stallings and martin didn't help his cause but razier avoided him none the less

Liston only ever called out Quarry from what I know. He got back in the rankings and was then eliminated by Martin who himself had to retire due to an eye injury he suffered in the fight.

That was Martin's biggest victory by far and would've probably got him a shot, if he had been able to continue his career. Before that he had lost decisively to Frazier opponents Bonavena and Ellis whom Frazier fought.

Frazier avoided a fighter who kept losing and losing whenever he stepped up? You would blame him for fighting Lewis had he done that because Lewis in no way deserved a shot at Frazier at any point in his career.

In a great era stacked with huge punchers frazier managed to only step up against one

Bonavena could punch
Ramos could punch
Quarry could punch
Chuvalo could punch
Ali, Machen and Ellis were a sharp hitters
Bob Foster was a big light heavyweight puncher
Mathis had KO'd his last 10 opponents before fighting Frazier

No, he never fought any other puncher on the level of George Foreman but then again there weren't any aside from maybe Shavers whose limitations were badly exposed by Quarry, who stopped him in one round.

[TheGreatA]

I always here everyone saying he just hit arms...

i've watched the fight a few times, there were certain rounds when he was unloading some very very hard body shots on Ali. He looked sloppy for a good deal of the fight, but he did have moments.

Ali obviously downplayed Foreman after, thats what he does. trying to make his win seem even greater. He said he was just praying for George to get tired at times.

No he actually made Foreman out to be a clown after the fight but afterwards he realized that he was actually discrediting his own win.

[BOLLOCKS]

What a racist *****.

[Kid McCoy]

And for good reason,that fight took alot out of ali,Physically and mentally he never looked the same in the ring and you would be hard pressed to find an impressive performance from him afterwards.he had to and did take a beating to the body,doesn't mean the fight was close based upon a round by round system.

I didn't mention mayweather so what's your point? I think you spend a little more time concerning yourself with floyd jr throughout the day than you should

Nellie Jenkins? I didn't grow up during the 1950's and I don't want to hear your sick antasies concerning your niece sunshine ok?

So you accept that the fight took a lot out of Ali and that he was wise not to take the rematch. In which case our views aren't that far apart, we just disagree on the scoring of rounds.

If you'd said that to begin with rather than making a slew of assumptions and trying to be patronising, it would have spared us all the above nonsense.

[princemanspoper]

He was wise to avoid another physically gruelling battle(****** enough to take such against earnie shavers later on).Would foreman have beat ali in a rematch? I doubt it,foreman showed absolutely no improvements on his return after ali,he was still the same old freak of nature who fell in love with his brute strength

[mickey malone]

He was wise to avoid another physically gruelling battle(****** enough to take such against earnie shavers later on).Would foreman have beat ali in a rematch? I doubt it,foreman showed absolutely no improvements on his return after ali,he was still the same old freak of nature who fell in love with his brute strength

So.... We can safely say, that only Ali prevented the rematch from taking place?..... Or was Foreman only spouting bravado?