Why is Duran considered the greatest LW?

[Dynamite Kid]

I do not have more arguments and of course I do not have more knowledge about boxing than you But I still favour a prime Duran at Lightweight over Pernel. Pernel has very good chances to beat Duran, but imo Duran could win more rounds with his aggressive style. If he would mix it up, beeing aggressive and stalking, he would have good chances to beat Pernel. I think I have some arguments and you too.

Mosley or Sweat Pea are no match for a prime Duran at Lw.

I wouldn't say that, it just i dont think you can right Whitaker off that easy. I think Whitaker was easily on Duran's level thats all.

[Kut]

Mosley or Sweat Pea are no match for a prime Duran at Lw.

I wouldn't say that, it just i dont think you can right Whitaker off that easy. I think Whitaker was easily on Duran's level thats all.

Definetly. I do really favor Duran in his prime. Maybe this "no match" was too ****** to say. But my english is from school and my 4th. language.
For me he has 60/40 chances to win against Sweat Pea.

[mrbigshot]

You were talking about LW's? but Vasquez was a LMW so why would you bring up that you were talking about a LW, if he can take Vasquez's shot whom whipped the canvas with Winky, then im pretty sure he can handle the power of a good if not spectacular punching power of a LW Duran.

McGirt, Trinidad, Nelson DLH, Pinda hit as hard as Duran and harder in Tito, DLH's case.

Thats irrelevant, Winky still had a great chin or he would not have survived, Whitaker is a LW and Vasquez could not hurt him, goes to show Pea dont need to worry about the fire power Duran brings.

Duran was punishing puncher rather a devastating puncher imo. You have to be able to land on Whitaker before you can even think about taking him out, bigger guys and bigger punchers than Duran have tried and failed. Even if you get Whitaker in trouble he is illusive enough to make it difficult for you to follow up.


Duran is no where near smart enough or hard hitting enough to pin Whitaker down and KO him, i would put my house on it. Duran could win a decision but id put my money on Pea personally, that said there is now way Duran is knocking him out.

why did they call duran hands of stone then????? if he was not a devasting puncher

is left hook was awesome

he would stop whitaker because the fight would be 15 rnds and durans gas tank was huge, the guy was a beast and whitaker would not be able to dance for 45 mins!!! and durans body work would take its toll


but tbh one of my fav boxing moments was whitaker weaving about 6 shots going backwards against de la hoya, also whitaker did get a crap disputed draw against a poor mans duran (chavez)

[GJC]

Duran was not a devastating puncher imo.

Duran's would not be able overwhelm Whitaker, he (Whitaker) is too smart to allow that and he would pick holes in Duran's wreckless aggression imo.

Nelson, Chavez are just as relentless as Duran was.

Might nitpick your post a bit

He was a pretty devastating puncher at LW, maybe not one punch KO power but he hit hard.
I agree that Whitaker was a smart cookie and would cause Duran problems, I'd fancy Duran but it would be some fight and I can respect the arguments for Whitaker.
Wouldn't argue Nelson and Chavez were relentless but not as
Not sure I agree with "wreckless" agression think Duran was pretty controlled especially at LW, he was superb at getting in the eye of the storm so to speak and slipping punches.

[Dynamite Kid]

why did they call duran hands of stone then????? if he was not a devasting puncher

is left hook was awesome

he would stop whitaker because the fight would be 15 rnds and durans gas tank was huge, the guy was a beast and whitaker would not be able to dance for 45 mins!!! and durans body work would take its toll


but tbh one of my fav boxing moments was whitaker weaving about 6 shots going backwards against de la hoya, also whitaker did get a crap disputed draw against a poor mans duran (chavez)

Errm because the media have a way of over exaggerating things? Hamed, Jackson, Tyson are devstating punchers, Duran was a respectable puncher but no where near as hard hitting as those guys. Its like saying why weren't they called hands if stone if they hit harder than him p4p.

Okay son he stops Whitaker.

[Dynamite Kid]

Might nitpick your post a bit

He was a pretty devastating puncher at LW, maybe not one punch KO power but he hit hard.
I agree that Whitaker was a smart cookie and would cause Duran problems, I'd fancy Duran but it would be some fight and I can respect the arguments for Whitaker.
Wouldn't argue Nelson and Chavez were relentless but not as
Not sure I agree with "wreckless" agression think Duran was pretty controlled especially at LW, he was superb at getting in the eye of the storm so to speak and slipping punches.

He had a few of nice KO's there but not over stellar opposition imo. I dont think he is anymore of a puncher than Mosley TBH, and i dont consider Mosley a devastating puncher but a big puncher nonetheless less. Edwin Rosario is what i call a devastating puncher at Lightweight.

A couple of those Duran KO's came late in fights to.

Chavez put just about as much pressure as you can imo, Nelson not so much, i agree with that. I agree that Duran had quicker feet than Chavez though, he closed the distance faster but i think both put on a lot of pressure, Chavez was better at cutting the ring down so where he is not so good in the footspeed department he makes up for it there, at least in my eyes.

Duran was wreckless early in his LW career but i think he booked up his ideas a bit after being dropped and losing to De Jesus, he could still be a bit wreckless though imo when he got a bit excited.

Whitaker is also a Southpaw and i think that with the movement would cause Duran massive problems. Duran is great if he can pin you down but Whitaker is extremely hard to pin down and he is one of the best counter punchers the game has ever seen, he has a great jab, he is quicker, he has better footwork & ring craft to imo.

[GJC]

He had a few of nice KO's there but not over stellar opposition imo. I dont think he is anymore of a puncher than Mosley TBH, and i dont consider Mosley a devastating puncher but a big puncher nonetheless less. A couple of those Duran KO's came late in fights to.

Chavez put just about as much pressure as you can imo, Nelson not so much, i agree with that.

Duran was wreckless early in his LW career but i think he booked up his ideas a bit after being dropped and losing to De Jesus, he could still be a bit wreckless though imo when he got a bit excited.

Whitaker is also a Southpaw and i think that with the movement would cause Duran massive problems. Duran is great if he can pin you down but Whitaker is extremely hard to pin down and he is one of the best counter punchers the game has ever seen, he has a great jab, he is quicker, he has better footwork & ring craft to imo.

Re Duran's opposition he fought who was there and whilst it might not have been the deepest LW division it was by no means the weakest. Is a tendency to retrospectively nit pick over Duran's record at LW which you can pretty much do with any fighter. I too like Chavez as a fighter but his is a resume that often gets slaughtered. Don't know about wreckless I guess being head and shoulders above the opposition at that time he maybe didn't fight as controlled as he could.
Re Whitaker I have no doubt that he could beat Duran but in ten fights I reckon Duran will win more times than he loses, guess we'll have to agree to differ on that match up.
Re WhitakerMayweather

[Princemanspopa]

Sweetpea would be a good fight I think Duran has too much for Mosley

I actually think a LW Mosley would more than hold his own in a toe to toe exchange with Duran,Mosley at LW was ridiculous,anybody who has not seen Shane Mosley at LW then see the results of his vicious beatdown of Antonio Margarito,and even that version was a shadow of his true prime,but Duran was pretty much the complete package at 135 and had something Shane Mosley did not have at LW,and that is ring smarts,he had terrific footwork and Mosley has pretty akward balance and fighters that create angles against Mosley,he tends to struggle against them.

[Dynamite Kid]

Re Duran's opposition he fought who was there and whilst it might not have been the deepest LW division it was by no means the weakest. Is a tendency to retrospectively nit pick over Duran's record at LW which you can pretty much do with any fighter. I too like Chavez as a fighter but his is a resume that often gets slaughtered. Don't know about wreckless I guess being head and shoulders above the opposition at that time he maybe didn't fight as controlled as he could.
Re Whitaker I have no doubt that he could beat Duran but in ten fights I reckon Duran will win more times than he loses, guess we'll have to agree to differ on that match up.
Re WhitakerMayweather

Don't know about wreckless I guess being head and shoulders above the opposition at that time he maybe didn't fight as controlled as he could.


Thats fair, that is pretty much where i was going with the wreckless thing.


I think Duran has a lot better record at LW than he gets credit for but by the same token Whitaker is one of the most skilled fighters ive ever seen, he put in some damn near flawless performances at LW, he schooled some good fighters, not just beat them.

I dont think Duran, Whitaker or Mosley were human at LW lol, they looked unstoppable at that weight, even though Mosley did not fight great! opposition there you know he could probably of reigned for a long time had he stayed there.

Yep a pick em fight GJC, but i gotta roll my man Whitaker on this one, respect your opinion though.

[GJC]

I actually think a LW Mosley would more than hold his own in a toe to toe exchange with Duran,Mosley at LW was ridiculous,anybody who has not seen Shane Mosley at LW then see the results of his vicious beatdown of Antonio Margarito,and even that version was a shadow of his true prime,but Duran was pretty much the complete package at 135 and had something Shane Mosley did not have at LW,and that is ring smarts,he had terrific footwork and Mosley has pretty akward balance and fighters that create angles against Mosley,he tends to struggle against them.

Kind of meant too much i.e. too much ring smarts etc etc as opposed to too much power.
The whole steroid thing puts me off Mosley to be honest, its a bit like trying to decide which of Ben Johnson's sprints were on the level if you know what I mean.