was dempsey a bum?

[RockyMarcianofan00]

this should be refering to Marciano. Marciano had heart, chin and power. Dempsey was actually talented, and should never be called a BUM!

All you ****ers calling greats- bums are losers and ignorant.

Dempsey was great, he didn't just swing, niether did Marciano though, they were great in different area's,
Dempsey was strong,fast,good footwork,heart,stamina
Marciano had better strenght,worse speed,worse,footwork,better heart and better stamina

so they're close Dempsey had better speed and handspeed, good every thing else

Marciano had better everything else and bad handspeed and footwork

they're smarts in the ring i think are pretty close as is there defense

but i'm not sure how good dempsey's defense was to be honest (beside his footwork)


both all time greats that are often compared to each other

[smasher]

Ali had horrible defense, as perrying,blocking goes he depended on movement and somewhat head movement
the only real defense he showed is the rope-a-dope

Ask any Ali opponent who fought him in his prime and almost every one will comment on his speed and how difficult it was to hit him. That's what defense is, not getting hit. Ask any common Ali/Frazier opponent who was more difficult to hit and I'm quite sure they would say Ali.

To say the only real defense Ali showed is the rope-a-dope demonstrates your ignorance and lack of knowledge about Muhammad Ali and how he fought in his prime.

As for Monte Cox there is no need for me to go to his website. I've spoken with him enough times already regarding Muhammad Ali and he knows my views.

[BKM-]

It's a joke. Ali rated as the same defense as Jim Jeffries, Marciano, and Frazier among others?

Cox picked Louis over Ali in a dream match-up and probably realized he'd scored Ali higher than Louis so he dropped his defense score to make them even.

You must think that every article that doesn't ride Ali is a joke. ALi was not THE perfect fighter who had everything(No boxer has btw) This link doesn't seem a joke, its pretty good.

[smasher]

You must think that every article that doesn't ride Ali is a joke. ALi was not THE perfect fighter who had everything(No boxer has btw) This link doesn't seem a joke, its pretty good.

Why because I think a prime Ali was harder to hit then Jeffries, Frazier or Marciano? That's a no brainer.

[BKM-]

Why because I think a prime Ali was harder to hit then Jeffries, Frazier or Marciano? That's a no brainer.

It was more based on defensive skills wich those fighters were better in. Ali was harder to hit i guess, but he wasn't as skilled in defence as those guys.

[smasher]

It was more based on defensive skills wich those fighters were better in. Ali was harder to hit i guess, but he wasn't as skilled in defence as those guys.

Defense is the art of not getting hit and Ali was harder to hit than Frazier, Jeffries, and Marciano.

[Dempsey1238]

Ali was fast, he had POOR defense. He was hard to hit in the 1960's. But once he lost his speed in the 1970's, He had no ideal how to block or parry punchs or jabs. Defense is like Jack Johnson or Joe Gans, both can stand still and make the guy miss em.

[butterfly1964]

Ali was fast, he had POOR defense. He was hard to hit in the 1960's. But once he lost his speed in the 1970's, He had no ideal how to block or parry punchs or jabs. Defense is like Jack Johnson or Joe Gans, both can stand still and make the guy miss em.

so could ali, just move his head like he did to terrel and folley.

[smasher]

in the 1970's, He had no ideal how to block or parry punchs or jabs. Defense is like Jack Johnson or Joe Gans, both can stand still and make the guy miss em.

Sure. For 8 rounds Ali stood against the ropes and with no idea how to block or parry punches he must have gotten hit repeatedly flush in the head by George Foreman's power punches right? Because his defence was so poor right? Miraculously he left the fight unhurt, never staggered, floored, cut, no broken nose, no broken jaw, no eyes swollen shut, his face was virtually unmarked. Incredible for a fighter who had no idea how to block or parry punches. Joe Frazier with the same defense rating as Ali goes to the ropes and gets demolished in 2 rounds and decked 6 times. But they both have the same poor defence. How can it be? Is Ali's chin 1000 times better than Frazier's?

[butterfly1964]

Sure. For 8 rounds Ali stood against the ropes and with no idea how to block or parry punches he must have gotten hit repeatedly flush in the head by George Foreman's power punches right? Because his defence was so poor right? Miraculously he left the fight unhurt, never staggered, floored, cut, no broken nose, no broken jaw, no eyes swollen shut, his face was virtually unmarked. Incredible for a fighter who had no idea how to block or parry punches. Joe Frazier with the same defense rating as Ali goes to the ropes and gets demolished in 2 rounds and decked 6 times. But they both have the same poor defence. How can it be? Is Ali's chin 1000 times better than Frazier's?

lol, yeah. and if you watch the first quarry fight, ali seems to be able to block jerry's left hook pretty well with his arms. i just don't understand why he did so poorly against frazier's left hook two fights later?