Who was faster Tyson or Ali?

[Ray Corso]

I guess my explanation was misunderstood by the "fanboys" again!

Point being a 5'10" 70" reach combo puncher who basicly used hooks (right angled arm form) not full extentioned punches will appear faster because the travel distance is much shorter. Also when Mike worked speed (flash) he was NOT throwing hard shots. Flash was to figure out what punches within the combos would work and then load up on them.
Ali at 6'3-4" with an 80" length used full extention shots to keep the distance in his favor while using lateral movement. There has NEVER been an overall faster heavyweight than Ali and that includes the current times.

So the facts that their size differences were extreme and the length of the extention of their arms was also extreme Ali is the faster handed boxer.
I understand this is difficult for some boys here to understand but try to realize that the "math" is against you. Plus as I've said before you know.....
.......NOTHING about boxing.


hey juggernutz which uncle trained Bowe ...uncle invisable?
is your daddy still a world competitor in judokarate'contactBJ!

These two morons are still yaking over the same crap month after month
well goodnite girls try not to scream to loudly..........
Ray

[juggernaut666]

I guess my explanation was misunderstood by the "fanboys" again!

Point being a 5'10" 70" reach combo puncher who basicly used hooks (right angled arm form) not full extentioned punches will appear faster because the travel distance is much shorter. Also when Mike worked speed (flash) he was NOT throwing hard shots. Flash was to figure out what punches within the combos would work and then load up on them.
Ali at 6'3-4" with an 80" length used full extention shots to keep the distance in his favor while using lateral movement. There has NEVER been an overall faster heavyweight than Ali and that includes the current times.

So the facts that their size differences were extreme and the length of the extention of their arms was also extreme Ali is the faster handed boxer.
I understand this is difficult for some boys here to understand but try to realize that the "math" is against you. Plus as I've said before you know.....
.......NOTHING about boxing.


hey juggernutz which uncle trained Bowe ...uncle invisable?
is your daddy still a world competitor in judokarate'contactBJ!

These two morons are still yaking over the same crap month after month
well goodnite girls try not to scream to loudly..........
Ray

Hooks don't travel at a shorter distance specially with SHORTER punchers who have to punch up at a 6'3 target, straight punches do.Tysons arm length would have to be a disadvantage here unless he is in close which i covered you imbecile, and on speed its not overall length its weight which determines mostly how fast one will throw usually and at 5'10 it was obviously Tysons advantage at the 215/220 mark makes it easier to be faster than ali ever was at 210 even.Ali at 6'3 and 220 was slower by far..., anyone can see Ali at 220 was slower and Tyson at 225 plus was obvious slower as well. Lesson over for the night don't forget to take your meds,even with vid evidence against you as usual you still cant get it right......


juggernaut666



To the other more serious posters...what does exactly give Tyson the mechanical advantage here...... THIS

Punch speed is not generated from your arms only, in fact, it has more to do with your lower body (legs, core) than it does your arms. Punches are generated from the ground up, a bunch of tiny auxillary muscles, coupled with larger core muscles all have to fire off in an explosive and timed manner to generate that speed and power. So in short..... more dead weight = more mass to move , more work on the muscles to move it, more time required to create momentum = slower overall movements! Be it hands, feet or any other movement, it is irrelevant! the extra weight (dead weight) makes everything slower.And Tyson at 215 was a fit as any boxer in history much more lean muscle than ALI COULD DREAM OF HAVING,while stayng fast at 220 pounds.

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[billeau2]

speed is the unrefined quality of getting a punch from point of origination to destination.

quickness is refining speed and making it effective. These technical refinements include, relaxed body dynamics/tensing at the point of impact only, untelegraphed body movements, proper supination/pronation of the arm, proper extension. They may also include controlling distance, angles, and footwork. Sometimes these dynamics also include explosive body movements, such as rising, sinking and moving the body properly along the spinal axis to precede a hand movement.

Ali had incredible extension with his punches as Ray said, Tyson had explosive movements and untelegraphed movements...many of which were studied from Dempsey. Dempsey would virtually never pull his arm back when punching..Tyson likewise often precedes his punches with an exposive body movement and not by pulling the hand back.

[Ray Corso]

Ofcourse Tyson has to be in closer or how the hell does he land you moron?
I'm not talking about their fastest as to out of prime, in their prime they were both below 220 and thats the facts jackazz.
Power comes the ground up not speed jackazz!
Tell us what gym you attended or attend now, by all means who was your mentor to be able to know so much about boxing.
Did you also train boxers like your uncle invisable did?
Or have you formed your opinion watching videos and reading mma articles?
You don't know anything about boxing you only know how to BS on a forum and you get away with it because there are no "consequences" involved!

vid evidence? hahaha your still a little ***** whose never been in a boxing gym let alone box a round. Everyone here knows it yet you blab on!

Do you remember Wlads sparring partners name you Ko'd yet?...hahaha

That was the best lie of all......... What a fool........

[juggernaut666]

Ofcourse Tyson has to be in closer or how the hell does he land you moron?
I'm not talking about their fastest as to out of prime, in their prime they were both below 220 and thats the facts jackazz.
Power comes the ground up not speed jackazz!
Tell us what gym you attended or attend now, by all means who was your mentor to be able to know so much about boxing.
Did you also train boxers like your uncle invisable did?
Or have you formed your opinion watching videos and reading mma articles?
You don't know anything about boxing you only know how to BS on a forum and you get away with it because there are no "consequences" involved!

vid evidence? hahaha your still a little ***** whose never been in a boxing gym let alone box a round. Everyone here knows it yet you blab on!

Do you remember Wlads sparring partners name you Ko'd yet?...hahaha

That was the best lie of all......... What a fool........

To generate faster Speed ,it comes from the torque of the torso you imbecile if you want a faster punch. Arm punching is not better than body motion punching which will generate more force,hence more speed and power. the rest was covered ,at the end of the day guess what ?You really don't know anything really.you use legs to also push off on punches to reinforce the speed or power,but you knew that right?.The weight was brought up because as USUAL I had to correct you as you stated length is the factor of speed..

"length of the extention of their arms was also extreme Ali is the faster" ..

NO its the weight at 210 pounds that made Ali fast...idiot.

[juggernaut666]

speed is the unrefined quality of getting a punch from point of origination to destination.

quickness is refining speed and making it effective. These technical refinements include, relaxed body dynamics/tensing at the point of impact only, untelegraphed body movements, proper supination/pronation of the arm, proper extension. They may also include controlling distance, angles, and footwork. Sometimes these dynamics also include explosive body movements, such as rising, sinking and moving the body properly along the spinal axis to precede a hand movement.

Ali had incredible extension with his punches as Ray said, Tyson had explosive movements and untelegraphed movements...many of which were studied from Dempsey. Dempsey would virtually never pull his arm back when punching..Tyson likewise often precedes his punches with an exposive body movement and not by pulling the hand back.

Punch speed is not generated from your arms only, in fact, it has more to do with your lower body (legs, core) than it does your arms. Punches are generated from the ground up, a bunch of tiny auxillary muscles, coupled with larger core muscles all have to fire off in an explosive and timed manner to generate that speed and power. So in short..... more dead weight = more mass to move , more work on the muscles to move it, more time required to create momentum = slower overall movements! Be it hands, feet or any other movement, it is irrelevant! the extra weight (dead weight) makes everything slower.And Tyson at 215 was a fit as any boxer in history much more lean muscle than ALI COULD DREAM OF HAVING,while stayng fast at 220 pounds.

I reposted the above if you missed it......and did so to reinforce the importance of weight being a factor in speed. It flew over Idiot corsos head which is common around here!

Tyson explosive traveled at a further distance than Alis as style wise would prove that as well not just what reach they had...despite what idiot Corso THINKS....in the end motion and style decide how fast a punch travels and Tyson wins here,because we are measuring who lands the punch first,not why it lands with BOTh guys in there zone one from long distance and short, Tysons ability to be more explosive clearly is the faster and generate from the legs upward is like a rocket ,for him to land 5 punches in 1 second is all one needs to see.

[jiopsi]

Tyson, only thing Ali was faster was getting away, and jabbing.

[Weltschmerz]

Tyson... never seen anybody so fast and explosive at over 200 lbs.

Ali had a very different style, very fast hands and feet but he relied more on fluidity and lateral movement than direct head on explosion.

[oscar9992]

Ali was a lot more faster.

Just look how he KO'ed Liston. That punch can seen only from Slow Motion replay.









Ali also had much better reflexes than Tyson