underappreciated fighters

[ron davis]

Fritizie Zivic ducked Davey Day. Mr. Day cut him up in 1931
in the AAU. In MSG. 1931. Tony Scarpati local boy beat Davey for the Featherweight Championship. Lou Amber's killed Scarpati, which was a surprise, as Amber's couldn't
crack an egg. Mr. Day pummeled Lou in 1937 losing in a split decision, he was robbed. Armstrong (the dirtiest fighter) hit Davey in the balls every round, coming out for the 11th rd Henry hit Davey five times south of the border,
and was only penalized 2 rds. The referee stopped the fight at 2:48 of 12th Rd. giving it Armstrong via TKO. Armstrong was carried out of the ring still wearing his Crown, and went directly to the Hospital, getting four stitches to his gashed eyelid, cast on his right hand and badly bruised left hand. Davey fought Armstrong half the fight blind in one eye and the other just a squint, caused by Armstrong's elbows not punishes. Both Champions were offered $35,000 for a re-match and declined. Amber's was stripped of his NBA Title on March 22nd 1940 for not fighting.

[Willie Pep 229]

Fritizie Zivic ducked Davey Day. Mr. Day cut him up in 1931
in the AAU. In MSG. 1931. Tony Scarpati local boy beat Davey for the Featherweight Championship. Lou Amber's killed Scarpati, which was a surprise, as Amber's couldn't
crack an egg. Mr. Day pummeled Lou in 1937 losing in a split decision, he was robbed. Armstrong (the dirtiest fighter) hit Davey in the balls every round, coming out for the 11th rd Henry hit Davey five times south of the border,
and was only penalized 2 rds. The referee stopped the fight at 2:48 of 12th Rd. giving it Armstrong via TKO. Armstrong was carried out of the ring still wearing his Crown, and went directly to the Hospital, getting four stitches to his gashed eyelid, cast on his right hand and badly bruised left hand. Davey fought Armstrong half the fight blind in one eye and the other just a squint, caused by Armstrong's elbows not punishes. Both Champions were offered $35,000 for a re-match and declined. Amber's was stripped of his NBA Title on March 22nd 1940 for not fighting.

I don't see why you assume Zivic was obligated to fight Davey Day, i.e. why Zivic "ducked" Day.

What I see is that Day was a top LW four years before the WW Zivic appears in the top rankings.

Also that Day in fact got his two appropriate title shots (at LW where he was ranked) against Armstrong and Angott, and came up short each time.

By the time WW Zivic begins his climb up Day is still campaigning as a LW and when Zivic does ascend to the WW title in 1940 Day has fallen out of the rankings (at LW and does not appear at WW).

Why would you conclude the WW Zivic owed the LW Day a fight?

Day got his shots he came up short.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Jack Britton
Sammy Angot
Jerry Quarry
Rodrigo Valdez

[Rusty Tromboni]

Curtis Cokes
Luis Rodriguez
George Benton
Jimmy Bivins
Yaqui Lopez
Billy Graham
Holman Williams
Lou Ambers
Bob Montgomery
Ike Williams
Beau Jack

Great list!

Along with Britton, Graham and El Feo are definitive top 10 Welterweights who are inexplicably omitted from the rankings.

Montgomery was my grandfather's favorite Black fighter from Philly.

Growing up i assumed the guy was a Heavyweight. And had trouble figuring out who he'd been getting to. Didn't help that Monto has been so overlooked.

[Black Jesus]

I like guys that come up the hard way like Monte Barret

[ron davis]

After Lou Ambers was stripped of his NBA title on 3/22/40 for not fighting Mr. Day who was challenger, ranked number
one. This is when the NBA and NY Boxing Commission split,
that was controlled by Mike Jacobs, who had contract's
on Ambers, Armstrong, Louis and picks their opponents.
They immediately signed Jenkins 3rd or 4th rated bum to fight Ambers. The N.B.A matched Sammy Angott to fight Davey Day for the vacant Lightweight Title. The match was originally scheduled for Chicago. It was abruptly switched to Louisville, where the Ky Boxing Commissioner , Johnson Mattingly shelved the two judges and referee system. Charlie Jones (Angott's) manager was a banker's
son and paid all of Jack Dempsey expenses, plus his normal fee $7,500 to be the soul referee and judge. Dempsey makes Angott the Champion by one point. January 10th 1941 Mr. Day knocks out Nick Castiglione
in 34 seconds including the count in the 1st Rd. Mr.Day
calls on Lew Jenkins who turns him down. On Feb. 3rd
Davey beats Billy Marquart. Mr Day's managers where negotiating to match Davey with Zivic for his Wel. Title,
he said, no thank you. Mr. Day couldn't get a fight for eight months, when young 19 yr. old Sugar Ray Robinson, was schedule to fight Mr. Day, and backed out, having Bob Montgomery as his substitute. That's all Folk's.

[Willie Pep 229]

After Lou Ambers was stripped of his NBA title on 3/22/40 for not fighting Mr. Day who was challenger, ranked number
one. This is when the NBA and NY Boxing Commission split,
that was controlled by Mike Jacobs, who had contract's
on Ambers, Armstrong, Louis and picks their opponents.
They immediately signed Jenkins 3rd or 4th rated bum to fight Ambers. The N.B.A matched Sammy Angott to fight Davey Day for the vacant Lightweight Title. The match was originally scheduled for Chicago. It was abruptly switched to Louisville, where the Ky Boxing Commissioner , Johnson Mattingly shelved the two judges and referee system. Charlie Jones (Angott's) manager was a banker's
son and paid all of Jack Dempsey expenses, plus his normal fee $7,500 to be the soul referee and judge. Dempsey makes Angott the Champion by one point. January 10th 1941 Mr. Day knocks out Nick Castiglione
in 34 seconds including the count in the 1st Rd. Mr.Day
calls on Lew Jenkins who turns him down. On Feb. 3rd
Davey beats Billy Marquart. Mr Day's managers where negotiating to match Davey with Zivic for his Wel. Title,
he said, no thank you. Mr. Day couldn't get a fight for eight months, when young 19 yr. old Sugar Ray Robinson, was schedule to fight Mr. Day, and backed out, having Bob Montgomery as his substitute. That's all Folk's.

What I see above is unsubstantiated claims based on yet another self aggrandizing fight manger who couldn't deliver a fight for his kid.

To claim that one fighter "ducked" another fighter based on the rhetoric from the second fighter's manager, who failed to put together a fight for his kid, is disingenuous.

They all claim they were 'ducked,' when often it's actually just not the right fight at the right time.

Day was a LW who wanted a shot at the WW title, without campaigning as a WW, nor ever even winning the LW title.

Even Roberto Duran fought six WW fights before he got a shot at Leonard's WW title. One of those fights being against the former WW champ Carlos Palomino.

Your guy's manger claims Davey Day was ducked by the WW champion because he wasn't given a shot at the WW title in a division his fighter never campaigned in, coming out of a division (LW) he couldn't win the title in.

Why do you think he deserved that shot?

This sounds like just another cliche claim: "We was ducked" from a manager who couldn't deliver.

The NBA and the NYSAC were never one body. There was no split.

The NYSAC came into existence in 1920 along with the enactment of the Walker Law, which legalized prize fights in New York State.

NBA came into existence in 1921 as a challenge to what they claimed was a corrupt NYSAC. The NBA sanctioned its first fight Dempsey-Carpentier in 1921.

They couldn't have split in 1940, they were never one body.

They sometimes recognized the same champions, sometimes different champions but they were never one body.

[Silas]

Zivic for sure!

I would also add to the list:

Lew Jenkins
Carmen Basilio (if he can be called under-appreciated)
Hilmer Kenty
Larry Holmes (although his legend has grown)
Cornelius Boza-Edwards

[Willie Pep 229]

Zivic for sure!

I would also add to the list:

Lew Jenkins
Carmen Basilio (if he can be called under-appreciated)
Hilmer Kenty
Larry Holmes (although his legend has grown)
Cornelius Boza-Edwards

Thanks for the reply.

Edwards had the bad luck to be surrounded by too many great fighters.

I need to look up Hilmer Kenty.

[NChristo-]

Yuri Arbachakov seems to be relatively unmentioned

Miguel 'Happy' Lore, imo deserves to be in the top 10 defensive fighters, beat some top fighters.

Humberto Gonzalez. Maybe ?, would've loved to see a fight between him and Khaosai Galaxy, would get more recognition atleast.

Vicente Saldivar, top 5 Mexican, guy was incredible but never seems to get mentioned usually getting overshadowed by JCC, Sanchez, Olivares

Rafael Herrera, beast, top 3 Bantam in arguably the strongest bantam era ever.

Jose Napoles and Eder Jofre, fight me, even if every poster here sang praise for both they can never be appreciated enough. Gods. Add Orlando Canizales.

Want to say Eddie Booker, probably the most underrated / overlooked of the so called 'Murderers Row', never seemed to get enough love even though is resume is outrageous, although because he is a part of the MR you could say he isn't I guess.

Final edit: Luis Manuel Rodriguez.

Final final edit: Carlos Palomino, one of the best body punchers I've seen, great chin, solid work rate. Overall a very good boxer but his bodypunching made him something else, always make sure to watch his fight with Davey Boy Green everynow and then, a clinic especially that 13th round, just brutal. Unfortunate to be in the same era as Duran who eclipsed him.