underappreciated fighters

[Willie Pep 229]

When I said he had no business I meant from a perspective of winning. I'm a fan of Spinks but when it was announced I never thought he had a realistic chance. Mike was too quick, hit too hard and much stronger than Michael. I would have been happy if he beat Tyson but it didn't turn out that way.

I know you were . . . it was an obviously correct metaphor that I completely understood . . . but I'm bored, I'm high, and I am under this 'house arrest' thing where if I go outside and breathe I will die.' So I'm starting to unravel, and there you were, a distraction, so I attacked your phrase 'literally,' sorry!

I wonder how anyone did this for months, or years at a time, during the great medieval plagues?

It must have been tough, not only did they not have audio-visual technology, they couldn't go near the sheep either.

[TonyGe]

I know you were . . . it was an obviously correct metaphor that I completely understood . . . but I'm bored, I'm high, and I am under this 'house arrest' thing where if I go outside and breathe I will die.' So I'm starting to unravel, and there you were, a distraction, so I attacked your phrase 'literally,' sorry!

I wonder how anyone did this for months, or years at a time, during the great medieval plagues?

It must have been tough, not only did they not have audio-visual technology, they couldn't go near the sheep either.

No problem. I wasn't clear what I meant. My wife and I are in self isolation. We are both retired so it's not too bad. It must have been hell during the plague. I think during the plague and the smallpox epidemic they burned bodies stacked like logs.

[QueensburyRules]

- -There was a staggering loss of population during the Black Plague, ie villages wiped out and the culture of the day also destroyed, but that gave us ye classic St Vitus dance that has fallen in disfavor over the years.

US pop approx 350 mil, yet as a couple of days ago only 6000 killed, a piffle in disaster numbers thus far.

Last year at my state uni, a couple dozen of the vacced herd of 50,000 contracted the childhood measles. That stampeded the herd of local media to whip up a shi.tstorm of gloom and doom.

Idiots living in their self created bubble.

[Silas]

I completely forgot about Matthew Saad Muhammad

we used to love watching that guy fight when I was a kid. Dude was a hero in the ring.

Don't hear too much about him these days, but he was a great one

[QueensburyRules]

I completely forgot about Matthew Saad Muhammad

we used to love watching that guy fight when I was a kid. Dude was a hero in the ring.

Don't hear too much about him these days, but he was a great one

- -IBHOF with a sad pre/post boxing story.

Easily outboxed with the uncanny ability to put anyone into a brawl for survival that he seldom lost until he was past his ideal retirement age.

[Willie Pep 229]

- -IBHOF with a sad pre/post boxing story.

Easily outboxed with the uncanny ability to put anyone into a brawl for survival that he seldom lost until he was past his ideal retirement age.

I got to hold the ropes for the ring card girls in one of his later fights (Uriah Grant).

I spent the evening sitting on the steps next to what would become his corner.

It was the closest I got to the dynamics of corner talk. It was very interesting.

It was a 10 round fight, in which Saad quit between the 7th and 8th rounds.

Wait, let me explain!

Throughout the early rounds Saad and corner were trying to find a formula to victory and nothing was working. Sadd was taking a beating.

Between the 7th and 8th Saad cut off all the advise coming at him, shaking it off with "Na, the kid's too strong."

When the corner tried to speak (encourage) again, Saad got curt and cut off the conversation. The corner men respected him and went silent (for the rest of the fight).

Over the last three rounds Saad took over the fight from the less experienced Grant, in a different way, he just slowed the entire matter down.

Once Saad stopped trying to win the fight and went defensive Grant could do nothing with him. Saad took the fight to the final bell and in an odd way, he controlled (but lost) the final three rounds.

Not the kind of ring generalship we usually associate with Saad.

BTW He was a very gracious man, through all of it, pre fight, fight, and post fight.

P.S. I want to add to this, I don't mean Saad went shameless like say Camacho vs Trinidad and just stalled away the fight, he didn't. He just changed the dynamics of the fight. I doubt anyone (in the crowd) understood that he had stopped trying to win, except Saad, his corner, and me. And "me" only because I heard the conversation, otherwise I would have been none the wiser. It was actually masterful of him.

[QueensburyRules]

I got to hold the ropes for the ring card girls in one of his later fights (Uriah Grant).

I spent the evening sitting on the steps next to what would become his corner.

It was the closest I got to the dynamics of corner talk. It was very interesting.

It was a 10 round fight, in which Saad quit between the 7th and 8th rounds.

Wait, let me explain!

Throughout the early rounds Saad and corner were trying to find a formula to victory and nothing was working. Sadd was taking a beating.

Between the 7th and 8th Saad cut off all the advise coming at him, shaking it off with "Na, the kid's too strong."

When the corner tried to speak (encourage) again, Saad got curt and cut off the conversation. The corner men respected him and went silent (for the rest of the fight).

Over the last three rounds Saad took over the fight from the less experienced Grant, in a different way, he just slowed the entire matter down.

Once Saad stopped trying to win the fight and went defensive Grant could do nothing with him. Saad took the fight to the final bell and in an odd way, he controlled (but lost) the final three rounds.

Not the kind of ring generalship we usually associate with Saad.

BTW He was a very gracious man, through all of it, pre fight, fight, and post fight.

P.S. I want to add to this, I don't mean Saad went shameless like say Camacho vs Trinidad and just stalled away the fight, he didn't. He just changed the dynamics of the fight. I doubt anyone (in the crowd) understood that he had stopped trying to win, except Saad, his corner, and me. And "me" only because I heard the conversation, otherwise I would have been none the wiser. It was actually masterful of him.

- -Excellent support for why Saad a HOFer.