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[andrew21]

Hey all jus happened upon your site- I have a heavy bag, boxing gloves etc unfortunately no club down here so its gonna be hard to find a sparring partner does anyone know a site where I can pick up the basics such as stances, footwork, punching tech etc. Used to do kick boxing long ago but forgot everything

Love the site and ill keep coming back
Cheers

[NJFighter91]

theres the Title Boxing Instructional videos somewhere on this site...just search for them...

you should really get to a gym though

[KingDosia]

Hey all jus happened upon your site- I have a heavy bag, boxing gloves etc unfortunately no club down here so its gonna be hard to find a sparring partner does anyone know a site where I can pick up the basics such as stances, footwork, punching tech etc. Used to do kick boxing long ago but forgot everything

Love the site and ill keep coming back
Cheers

Andrew my man, I see this a lot around here "no gym" " where can I get a vid" If you are interested in fitness boxing It wouldn't be hard to find instruction, via the web. If you plan to compete. You have no alternative.In this sport your training must be personalized. Tailored to each individuals needs. If there were one correct way to train, there would be no need for trainers at all, we could all just go out and buy a book or cd and presto.
Boxing at first glance seems basic. The truth is Boxing is as complicated as any martial art. And I do dare to catagorize it as such. You can spend a life time as s student of this activity and never master it. I see it as being better than any other martial art in the sense You train from the begining to defend against and attack an adversary in real time with real motions and speed. You attack from variying angles and must learn to defend against such, Most of your martial arts only defend well against someone using the same art.
Not knocking any of them. Just making my point. Boxing is too complex and sophisticated to learn over a DVD or Book. Trainers are necessary Period

[andrew21]

Thanks guys yeah know I cant learn everything from a dvd I think better than a boxing dvd maybe a training routine to get myself conditioned before i start will be better, ill search the site some more.

Thanks again

[j]

I see it as being better than any other martial art in the sense You train from the begining to defend against and attack an adversary in real time with real motions and speed.

very, very incorrect. it would help, for the sake of this dicussion, to know what martial arts you've had experience with.

*real* martial arts require very real sparring to be able to get skilled at and acquainted with a real time attack. thing is, bro, there is a lot of bull**** martial arts instructors out there. i would estimate, in total, that 1 out of every 50 or so knows what they're doing when it comes to fighting.

kingdosia - i am willing to bet that what i do is very, very different from what you might think.

Most of your martial arts only defend well against someone using the same art.

oh, now i am very curious to know of you're experiences. they don't sound good.

Boxing is too complex and sophisticated to learn over a DVD or Book. Trainers are necessary Period

andrew, this is true. actually, true for any fighting art. but your idea of getting some sort of conditioning program together is a great start.

[andrew21]

Um to put my two cents in I dont disagree (about martial arts completely) for example i did karate for several years (****o-ryu) and I do believe that it is most effective against someone else doing karate due to stances etc, also you often cross legs when fighting means its not completely stable. Also the reason I stopped kick boxing is because of the risks when kicking high in a street fight but I dont think this is a standard stereotype for example i think mauy thai is a pretty effective art and due to the fact your kicking at the legs you never risk too much loss of balance and its unlikely your legs will be caught.

So your both right to varying degrees

[j]

Um to put my two cents in I dont disagree (about martial arts completely) for example i did karate for several years (****o-ryu) and I do believe that it is most effective against someone else doing karate due to stances etc, also you often cross legs when fighting means its not completely stable. Also the reason I stopped kick boxing is because of the risks when kicking high in a street fight but I dont think this is a standard stereotype for example i think mauy thai is a pretty effective art and due to the fact your kicking at the legs you never risk too much loss of balance and its unlikely your legs will be caught.

So your both right to varying degrees

i actually started out with karate. not an art for me. i agree with your general assessment of high kicks. they are very, very risky even though i have seen them work in street fights. i know of 2 people who've knocked people out with kicks to the head in a street fight.

but, karate was a little over ten years ago. what i do now is the boxing equivalent of a martial art except it goes much further.

[KingDosia]

i actually started out with karate. not an art for me. i agree with your general assessment of high kicks. they are very, very risky even though i have seen them work in street fights. i know of 2 people who've knocked people out with kicks to the head in a street fight.

but, karate was a little over ten years ago. what i do now is the boxing equivalent of a martial art except it goes much further.

Somehow I knew my statements wouild provoke you. I admit I was too harsh by saying boxing is better. What I was trying to get at is it takes a great deal of time for a martial artist "and I'm not sure if this is good or bad in the long run" to reach that level where he is sparing an apponent in real time with fluid movement. I'm refering to From the very start, a novice boxer is taught to fight. He will learn to throw crisp jabs and straight right hands (assuming an orthodox fighter). The fundamentals will be stressed and practiced repeatedly until they become second nature. It is during this early learning period that fighters are instructed in a proper stance, covering up, footwork and throwing punches without telegraphing them. New fighters will quickly move to hitting the punch mitts, heavy bag and double end bag while practicing their punches. This training reinforces the need for balance, coordination, control and accuracy. to the more traditional martial arts. Novices are usually taught to stand in a very impractical stance, which would leave them vulnerable and defenseless in a real world scenario. They are taught to punch from a low hand position, and usually introduced to an intricate blocking system that relies on specific strikes being thrown at the practitioner in order to respond with the appropriate defense. Rarely does a novice martial artist throw at strike at a target other than air, and his movements appear awkward and mechanical. Boxers learn effective combination punching drills and they develop hooks, upper cuts and feints. At the same time they are also learning defensive skills such as slipping, ducking, bobbing and weaving and parrying. It is quite common for a boxing coach to throw “counter punches” while holding the mitts for a fighter. This reminds a fighter to pay attention to defense, even in the midst of launching an attack or following through with a counter. A boxer soon understands the importance of returning his hands to the guard position after throwing a punch or else he will be painfully countered. All the while a boxer is moving around the ring, improving his footwork and timing as well as improving his defense in a natural and free flowing manner. I feel through the heavy sparring of a boxer he learns what works and what doesn't for him making the art personalized, rather than years of learning specific forms which in real life scenarios in today's modern world seem impractical.
This is the basis of my argument. Not that boxing is so dominant, I don't wish to come accross with that attitude. I feel boxing lacks some very important attributes which martial artists posess. Like a balance with the spiritual side of his mentality. And a calm and relaxed demeanor during combat. Most Boxers lack the desiplin of a good martial artist. Stikes are limited to the hands in boxing. Although effective you can reach a person better with your feet. Making that a superior weapon when used by a master. My comparison comes from the majority of the people training and sudying Novices. Not seasoned masters of the particular discipline. Which would provoke a whole new argument I'm sure.

[KingDosia]

[QUOTE=j;1893028]very, very incorrect. it would help, for the sake of this dicussion, to know what martial arts you've had experience with.

*real* martial arts require very real sparring to be able to get skilled at and acquainted with a real time attack. thing is, bro, there is a lot of bull**** martial arts instructors out there. i would estimate, in total, that 1 out of every 50 or so knows what they're doing when it comes to fighting.

kingdosia - i am willing to bet that what i do is very, very different from what you might think.



I agree with you on the instructors, The same disease plagues boxing and there trainers. I am curious to know your disciplin. Most people will call Karate a marial art. Ive seen students destroyed by boxers, There stances and attacks seem futile and more harmful then helpful. I myself have ridiculed Kempo students in a couple of incounters there were some trouble makers from a studio near where I used to live. My point of view started in this thread probably didn't even belong here I had an argument with someone stating boxing can't be considered a martial art still in my minds foresight when I posted. I don't inted to ridicule or belittle martial artists. There is a reason they were developed. My point of view is in reference to there practicality in modern society.

[potatoes]

Hey all jus happened upon your site- I have a heavy bag, boxing gloves etc unfortunately no club down here so its gonna be hard to find a sparring partner does anyone know a site where I can pick up the basics such as stances, footwork, punching tech etc. Used to do kick boxing long ago but forgot everything

Love the site and ill keep coming back
Cheers

I suppose you have noticed that video trailer in NJFighter91's signature. Tyson learned how to set up that lefthook through many thousands of hours of practise under the tutlage of the great Cus D'Amato. If you have talent, you can go a long way by training yourself, but there are limits, and there is no substitute for a good trainer. Kenny Weldon has a great series of videos, You Can Learn To Box. Joe Frazier's book, Boxing Like The Pros, will also give you some guidelines. Sadly books and videos will only get you through the first stage. Nevertheless, if you have talent, books and videos can get you prepared to walk into a gym and impress whomever you are hoping will back your career.