History of the Heavyweights part 6 (Jack Johnson)

[butterfly1964]

Johnson must be well overrated since very few are talking about him on his own thread.

Yeah, kid, I thought you were slowly coming along, but you've regressed lately. Louis fought far bigger guys than did Holmes, and he fought a couple of smaller guys than did Holmes. Louis didn't discriminate, unlike Holmes who failed to meet almost a dozen of the best in his era.

how come louis ducked watcott, then?

[Yogi]

how come louis ducked watcott, then?

And when did Louis duck Walcott, Butterfly?

[butterfly1964]

And when did Louis duck Walcott, Butterfly?

well, they fought in '47 and they're about the same age. put two and two together, yogi.

[Yogi]

well, they fought in '47 and they're about the same age. put two and two together, yogi.

I could either do that, or...what I could do is check the Heavyweight ratings from Louis' whole title reign and see that it wasn't until after the war when Walcott was even ranked inside the top ten for the division (both Conn & Mauriello were ranked higher than him, as well, when Louis fought them after the war...both the then #1 ranked contender).

What do you think is the better way to go?

[butterfly1964]

I could either do that, or...what I could do is check the Heavyweight ratings from Louis' whole title reign and see that it wasn't until after the war when Walcott was even ranked inside the top ten for the division (both Conn & Mauriello were ranked higher than him, as well, when Louis fought them after the war...both the then #1 ranked contender).

What do you think is the better way to go?

because he wasn't ranked means what? did that stop louis from fighting other guys?

[Yogi]

because he wasn't ranked means what? did that stop louis from fighting other guys?

Holy ****, you're a simpleton sometimes (most times, maybe?), man!

If a guy isn't/wasn't ranked inside the top ten then that means he was not considered worthy of a title shot, nor should he be given one...Duh!

Hindsight proves different, but even at the time the first Louis/Walcott fight was announced nobody really thought Walcott had really any chance (first scheduled as a simple exhibition match, but later changed over to a title fight when tickets sales were slow...Louis was an 8-1 favourite, regardless).

And I already pointed out to you in the past that the majority of Louis' title defenses were against one of the top three ranked contders at the time of the title fight, and many of those were against the #1 ranked contender...the guy considered the second best in the division. But hey, do your own research, and then tell me if you can find more than one fighter who wasn't a ranked contedner when given a chance at Louis' title...Good luck with that!

[butterfly1964]

Holy ****, you're a simpleton sometimes (most times, maybe?), man!

If a guy isn't/wasn't ranked inside the top ten then that means he was not considered worthy of a title shot, nor should he be given one...Duh!

Hindsight proves different, but even at the time the first Louis/Walcott fight was announced nobody really thought Walcott had really any chance (first scheduled as a simple exhibition match, but later changed over to a title fight when tickets sales were slow...Louis was an 8-1 favourite, regardless).

And I already pointed out to you in the past that the majority of Louis' title defenses were against one of the top three ranked contders at the time of the title fight, and many of those were against the #1 ranked contender...the guy considered the second best in the division. But hey, do your own research, and then tell me if you can find more than one fighter who wasn't a ranked contedner when given a chance at Louis' title...Good luck with that!

tell me if jack roper, al mccoy, or red burman were ranked? i'm just wondering looking at their records before they fought louis.

[Yogi]

tell me if jack roper, al mccoy, or red burman were ranked? i'm just wondering looking at their records before they fought louis.

Apparently you missed the part where I said "do your own research".

[butterfly1964]

Apparently you missed the part where I said "do your own research".

whatever, man.

[Yogi]

whatever, man.

Why do you say that?

Let me guess the answer...you'd much rather stick to your ways of simply making **** up in your mind, rather than spending some time looking that info up for yourself, yes?