Hagler vs Other ATG Middleweights

[sonnyboyx2]

Were is Marvin Hagler's place among the ATG Middleweights? How would he do in head-2-head match-ups against these other great middleweight champions?

Hagler vs Ray Robinson =
Hagler vs Harry Greb =
Hagler vs Sam Langford =
Hagler vs Marcel Cerdan =
Hagler vs Gene Fulmer =
Hagler vs Roy Jones Jr =
Hagler vs James Toney =
Hagler vs Stanley Ketchel =
Hagler vs Bernard Hopkins =
Hagler vs Jake LaMotta =

[Ray Corso]

Hagler vs Ray Robinson = Robinson decs.
Hagler vs Harry Greb = Hagler decs.
Hagler vs Sam Langford = not sure about this one..
Hagler vs Marcel Cerdan = Hagler decs.
Hagler vs Gene Fulmer = Hagler Decs.
Hagler vs Roy Jones Jr = Hagler Decs...Jones fought few bouts at 160lbs
Hagler vs James Toney = Hagler by decs. again Toney was much better later
Hagler vs Stanley Ketchel = Hagler by Decs.
Hagler vs Bernard Hopkins = Hagler by decs. he would out work Bernard and again Bernard at 160 was not at his best.
Hagler vs Jake LaMotta = Hagler by decs ..........cautiously!

I see Robinson clearly over him because of over all skills. You need to be muti-dimensional to beat Hagler. Although Hagler was not a one punch KO artists his two handed attack using both stances gave him options most fighters didn't have. He also had an outstanding corner for evaluations and dealing with cuts and abrasions.

All the greats are capable of winning against each other thats why their greats. To not include Hagler is ridiculous to me and his record is a srong one, I knew a lot the fighters on his record and fought against them in opposition corners and that was a very good group.
To look across the ring at Antuofermo or Hamsho guys with limited skills but were animals in the ring you better be ready for an all night fight those two were SERIOUS!

Oh well its all speculation any of them could get cut in the first round and loose via tko in 6 on a cut while their winning, thats boxing!
Ray

[Anthony342]

He loses to Robinson and Jones and his place is top 10 among middleweights.

[Marcello]

Young Hagler was very dangerous. He was fast, had knockout power, a great chin and handled 15 rounds well. He was also a south paw with a long reach. He would be competitive with any of the historical middleweights

[sonnyboyx2]

Hagler vs Ray Robinson = Robinson decs.
Hagler vs Harry Greb = Hagler decs.
Hagler vs Sam Langford = not sure about this one..
Hagler vs Marcel Cerdan = Hagler decs.
Hagler vs Gene Fulmer = Hagler Decs.
Hagler vs Roy Jones Jr = Hagler Decs...Jones fought few bouts at 160lbs
Hagler vs James Toney = Hagler by decs. again Toney was much better later
Hagler vs Stanley Ketchel = Hagler by Decs.
Hagler vs Bernard Hopkins = Hagler by decs. he would out work Bernard and again Bernard at 160 was not at his best.
Hagler vs Jake LaMotta = Hagler by decs ..........cautiously!

I see Robinson clearly over him because of over all skills. You need to be muti-dimensional to beat Hagler. Although Hagler was not a one punch KO artists his two handed attack using both stances gave him options most fighters didn't have. He also had an outstanding corner for evaluations and dealing with cuts and abrasions.

All the greats are capable of winning against each other thats why their greats. To not include Hagler is ridiculous to me and his record is a srong one, I knew a lot the fighters on his record and fought against them in opposition corners and that was a very good group.
To look across the ring at Antuofermo or Hamsho guys with limited skills but were animals in the ring you better be ready for an all night fight those two were SERIOUS!

Oh well its all speculation any of them could get cut in the first round and loose via tko in 6 on a cut while their winning, thats boxing!
Ray

We know from your previous posts, that your a big Hagler fan. But you have not been "Honest & Genuine" in your comments above. You have made ****** comments, which have no substance to them. Roy Jones & James Toney were both recognised, as the "universal No1 champion" at Middleweight. regardless of any other weight classes they fought in. Evander Holyfield was undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion and universally accepted, as the greatest of all time in that division. Yet that does not deflect from his incredible achievements at Heavyweight. Sugar Ray Robinson is rated as the "Greatest 160lb and 147lb fighter of all time, by the IBHOF" So Roy Jones, James Toney & Bernard Hopkins have to be accepted in this equation.
You have posted:

Hagler vs Sam Langford = not sure?... The reason you have posted "Not Sure" is to save face, sit on the fence, not leave yourself open to attack. Let's be honest here. Sam Langford would murder any version of Marvin Hagler. There are many great boxing historians, who feel Langford would have defeated Jack Johnson & Jack Dempsey?.. could you envisage Marvin Hagler having any hope of beating those two fighters. LOL

Hagler vs Roy Jones = Hagler decision LOL... surely your having a laugh. Roy Jones was ten times more skillful than Ray Leonard. punched 10 times harder than Ray Leonard.

Take away the Thomas Hearns "BROKEN HAND" fight.. Who did Marvin Hagler ever defeat, who was in the same league as the above list of fighters?

ANSWER= no one!

Marvin Hagler fought a bunch of tomato cans. Hagler at 5'9' would be the smaller man, against every one of the above fighters. Hagler's southpaw/authodox style, never worked against Ray Leonard. It would never work against any of the above fighters.

Ray, you claim tomato-cans like Antuofermo & Hamsho were animals in the ring?... which of their fights can i watch, to see them "Animals in the ring"?... Antuofermo was "Beat-Down" then knocked out, by Britains Maurice Hope. At European level. Mustapha Hamsho, was as limited as limited gets, as far as boxing ability goes. Both were "Tomato-Cans" who would not last 3 rounds against any of the above fighters.

[RED REP]

Hagler vs Ray Robinson = Robinson decs.
Hagler vs Harry Greb = Hagler decs.
Hagler vs Sam Langford = not sure about this one..
Hagler vs Marcel Cerdan = Hagler decs.
Hagler vs Gene Fulmer = Hagler Decs.
Hagler vs Roy Jones Jr = Hagler Decs...Jones fought few bouts at 160lbs
Hagler vs James Toney = Hagler by decs. again Toney was much better later
Hagler vs Stanley Ketchel = Hagler by Decs.
Hagler vs Bernard Hopkins = Hagler by decs. he would out work Bernard and again Bernard at 160 was not at his best.
Hagler vs Jake LaMotta = Hagler by decs ..........cautiously!

I see Robinson clearly over him because of over all skills. You need to be muti-dimensional to beat Hagler. Although Hagler was not a one punch KO artists his two handed attack using both stances gave him options most fighters didn't have. He also had an outstanding corner for evaluations and dealing with cuts and abrasions.

All the greats are capable of winning against each other thats why their greats. To not include Hagler is ridiculous to me and his record is a srong one, I knew a lot the fighters on his record and fought against them in opposition corners and that was a very good group.
To look across the ring at Antuofermo or Hamsho guys with limited skills but were animals in the ring you better be ready for an all night fight those two were SERIOUS!

Oh well its all speculation any of them could get cut in the first round and loose via tko in 6 on a cut while their winning, thats boxing!
Ray

Hagler beats Greb, and you can say how? There's no footage of Greb fighting, and by all written accounts he absolutely dominated men like Gene Tunney at 175, Tunney would beat Hagler i know that much! Think about it...Greb could certainly beat Hagler over 10 or 15!

[billeau2]

He loses to Robinson and Jones and his place is top 10 among middleweights.

Jones versus Hagler would be a fight I would love to see...Didnt we have a thread here some time ago...something to the effect of if you could see any fight? I think I will make that thread because Jones versus Hagler makes one long for being able to shape the universe so this fight could be!

[BennyST]

Roy Jones & James Toney were both recognised, as the "universal No1 champion" at Middleweight. regardless of any other weight classes they fought in.

Well, if it isn't good ol' Sonnyboy, first time I've seen you back from your holiday. How was the holiday Sonny? Pick up some new Lewis material? Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the holiday. Don't act the ass, and don't ruin the place with your delusions otherwise you'll go on another, longer one.

As to your post. No, they weren't. There wasn't a single universally recognised champ at 160 through nearly that entire period until Hopkins. All the different titles all had different champions and the champion considered the 'best' changed non stop.

Roy won the vacant IBF title after it had been vacated by Toney. Only Toney was recognised as the best middleweight during the very early 90s after beating Nunn. Jones never was.

[sonnyboyx2]

Well, if it isn't good ol' Sonnyboy, first time I've seen you back from your holiday. How was the holiday Sonny? Pick up some new Lewis material? Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the holiday. Don't act the ass, and don't ruin the place with your delusions otherwise you'll go on another, longer one.

As to your post. No, they weren't. There wasn't a single universally recognised champ at 160 through nearly that entire period until Hopkins. All the different titles all had different champions and the champion considered the 'best' changed non stop.

Roy won the vacant IBF title after it had been vacated by Toney. Only Toney was recognised as the best middleweight during the very early 90s after beating Nunn. Jones never was.

Here we have the forum "gob shyte" who's knowledge of the sport is zero. Roy Jones had already easily defeated Bernard Hopkins. Jones was voted Ring Magazine fighter of the year in 1995 Jones had won the IBF World Middleweight Title. Which made him a World Champion at 160lbs.

[sonnyboyx2]

Were is Marvin Hagler's place among the ATG Middleweights? How would he do in head-2-head match-ups against these other great middleweight champions?

Hagler vs Ray Robinson =
Hagler vs Harry Greb =
Hagler vs Sam Langford =
Hagler vs Marcel Cerdan =
Hagler vs Gene Fulmer =
Hagler vs Roy Jones Jr =
Hagler vs James Toney =
Hagler vs Stanley Ketchel =
Hagler vs Bernard Hopkins =
Hagler vs Jake LaMotta =

Hagler vs Ray Robinson = Robinson UD
Hagler vs Harry Greb = Greb UD
Hagler vs Sam Langford = Langford KO4
Hagler vs Marcel Cerdan = Cerdan KO4
Hagler vs Gene Fullmer = Fullmer KO5
Hagler vs Roy Jones = Jones UD
Hagler vs James Toney = Toney KO11
Hagler vs Stanley Ketchel = Ketchel KO7
Hagler vs Bernard Hopkins = Hopkins UD
Hagler vs Jake LaMotta = LaMotta UD

Also

Hagler vs Freddie Steele = Steele UD
Hagler vs Ray Leonard = Leonard UD
Hagler vs Carlos Monzon = Monzon KO11
Hagler vs Mike McCallum = Draw

All the above fighters are vastly superior, than any fighters Hagler ever fought in his career.