World without Joe Louis

[Spartacus Sully]

Wrong, just plain old wrong Sully. You sound just like the man in your Avi.

sooo uncle tom wasnt a guy in a book who got killed by his master because he wouldnt tell him the location of the 2 ****** he helped free?

and the book uncle tom wasnt one of the main factors that unified the north against slavery???

nooo ofcousre not its just an insult that african americans call their fellow african americans.....even though he is one of the first true martys in american history...in black history...and he didnt even exist....

jack johnson was a racist...a blatant racist that hated white people and loved nothing more then to rub his social position in their faces.

[Spartacus Sully]

You've explained that people can change injustice but you've failed to explain why the blame for "setting blacks back" should be placed on him and not the clearly racist decision makers, he didn't make the decision they did and he had done nothing unreasonable or anything unprecedented as a champion.

soooo if i demean you and humiliate you to the point that you punch me in the face its afcourse all your fault?

its not either the whites or jack johnson is to blame....they are both to blame. and the only one to really be in the right would be the one that comes along and helps every one play nicely.

[Spartacus Sully]

How dare Jack Johnson raise his hand when he wins a boxing fight.

If Johnson hadnt of done this, then maybe segregation would have ended. Jack Johnson is 100% to blame for slavery. His actions are entirely representative of every black american out there.

Joe Louis is the greatest, him refusing to fight in front of a segregated army as a direct concequence brought an end to segregation. Without him it probably would have taken till the 60s for this to happen. Without him Tiger Woods would never have learnt how to play golf.

Ali owes everything to Joe Louis. Louis defended his stance on the unjust war in Vietnam. It was Joe Louis who beat George Foreman. Even non-boxing fans worldwide know of Louis. Ask them who Ali is and they dont have a clue.

you ****** this conversation.

[RubenSonny]

soooo if i demean you and humiliate you to the point that you punch me in the face its afcourse all your fault?

its not either the whites or jack johnson is to blame....they are both to blame. and the only one to really be in the right would be the one that comes along and helps every one play nicely.

Elaborate....You never really responded to any of my other points either.

[Spartacus Sully]

Elaborate....You never really responded to any of my other points either.

ummmm if so i stride around act ****y and make the majority of society hate me......thats societys fault?

if im going to treat some one like an ******* id expect the same.

soooo flaunting gold teeth? ****ing white prostetutes and transfering them across state lines? following around burns and insulting him at every match untill he got a fight?

he knows these were things that in the society of the time he aught not be doing. in modern day these things are expected...but jack johnson did not live in modern times.

if i dont want to be punched in the face im not going to insult you untill you punch me in the face...especially if you say dont insult me or im going to punch you in the face....in this case it would clearly be my own fault if i insulted you and got punched in the face.

society was wrong in the time.....but if you live in the time you have to deal with society. and making white people hate you in a time when whites controlled society isnt the best way to deal with society especially when in punishing you they punish your race and in how you present your self the entire white population sees as how every one of your race represents them selfs..


a few years back there were a bunch of people who didnt like american society so they flew some planes into things.......look how well that worked out.....

a couple thousand years ago there was this guy who didnt like ***ish society and with out resistance he was killed for his belifes unjustly.....and now we have one of the most populated religions on earth.

violence arrogance ****iness these things have never changed the world for the good, never. two wrongs will never make one in the right and violence in the face of violence will allways beget more violence.

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

sooo uncle tom wasnt a guy in a book who got killed by his master because he wouldnt tell him the location of the 2 ****** he helped free?

and the book uncle tom wasnt one of the main factors that unified the north against slavery???
nooo ofcousre not its just an insult that african americans call their fellow african americans.....even though he is one of the first true martys in american history...in black history...and he didnt even exist....

jack johnson was a racist...a blatant racist that hated white people and loved nothing more then to rub his social position in their faces.

Your American history needs work Sully. ALOT of work. And While Jack was being N-Bombed to death, did he ever drop the C-Bomb? No. He continued to call Tommy "Yellow" as he beat the dog ***** out of him. What is the instance in which Jack was showing racism? I will be waiting for this one. And dont use the "not allowing Blacks to fight for the championship" it wont work. There are more variables involved in that and hatred towards his own race was not the issue.

[Spartacus Sully]

He praises 'uncle toms'.

Has a white racist in his avatar. Its clear what his agenda is.

its pretty well known that the only reason john l didnt fight peter jackson was because his manager was a racist.

even john him self said

"When it comes to flogging men at night, whether their black or white im against it. See! id like to go down there on a committee. Id stop all such foul work. i will not go into a ring with a negro but by jupiter i will not stand by and watch another white man give him a licking with out reason."

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

ummmm if so i stride around act ****y and make the majority of society hate me......thats societys fault?

if im going to treat some one like an ******* id expect the same.

soooo flaunting gold teeth? ****ing white prostetutes and transfering them across state lines? following around burns and insulting him at every match untill he got a fight?

he knows these were things that in the society of the time he aught not be doing. in modern day these things are expected...but jack johnson did not live in modern times.

if i dont want to be punched in the face im not going to insult you untill you punch me in the face...especially if you say dont insult me or im going to punch you in the face....in this case it would clearly be my own fault if i insulted you and got punched in the face.

society was wrong in the time.....but if you live in the time you have to deal with society. and making white people hate you in a time when whites controlled society isnt the best way to deal with society especially when in punishing you they punish your race and in how you present your self the entire white population sees as how every one of your race represents them selfs..


a few years back there were a bunch of people who didnt like american society so they flew some planes into things.......look how well that worked out.....

a couple thousand years ago there was this guy who didnt like ***ish society and with out resistance he was killed for his belifes unjustly.....and now we have one of the most populated religions on earth.

violence arrogance ****iness these things have never changed the world for the good, never. two wrongs will never make one in the right and violence in the face of violence will allways beget more violence.

"I'll lick any son of a biitch in the room" is that ****y enough for you? Amazing he was revered as the HW Champ that no one could beat huh? Why no hate for that arrogant fella. Why was he allowed to duck Peter Jackson?

[StarshipTrooper]

He praises 'uncle toms'.

Has a white racist in his avatar. Its clear what his agenda is.

In case anybody didn't know, Mast is Morales./Tyson.'s latest alt.....He's a known troll and he's attempting to throw gasoline on what's already a heated discussion.

Poet

[Spartacus Sully]

Your American history needs work Sully. ALOT of work. And While Jack was being N-Bombed to death, did he ever drop the C-Bomb? No. He continued to call Tommy "Yellow" as he beat the dog ***** out of him. What is the instance in which Jack was showing racism? I will be waiting for this one. And dont use the "not allowing Blacks to fight for the championship" it wont work. There are more variables involved in that and hatred towards his own race was not the issue.

sooo help my history? what factors went into the north unifying against slavery? did fredrick douglas do it all himself? orr perhaps uncle toms cabin the best selling book of the century second to the bible might have had a vital influence on the civil war?