World without Joe Louis

[RubenSonny]

ummmm if so i stride around act ****y and make the majority of society hate me......thats societys fault?

if im going to treat some one like an ******* id expect the same.

soooo flaunting gold teeth? ****ing white prostetutes and transfering them across state lines? following around burns and insulting him at every match untill he got a fight?

he knows these were things that in the society of the time he aught not be doing. in modern day these things are expected...but jack johnson did not live in modern times.

if i dont want to be punched in the face im not going to insult you untill you punch me in the face...especially if you say dont insult me or im going to punch you in the face....in this case it would clearly be my own fault if i insulted you and got punched in the face.

society was wrong in the time.....but if you live in the time you have to deal with society. and making white people hate you in a time when whites controlled society isnt the best way to deal with society especially when in punishing you they punish your race and in how you present your self the entire white population sees as how every one of your race represents them selfs..


a few years back there were a bunch of people who didnt like american society so they flew some planes into things.......look how well that worked out.....

a couple thousand years ago there was this guy who didnt like ***ish society and with out resistance he was killed for his belifes unjustly.....and now we have one of the most populated religions on earth.

violence arrogance ****iness these things have never changed the world for the good, never. two wrongs will never make one in the right and violence in the face of violence will allways beget more violence.

This entire post is you deflecting with garbage and not helping you out. The bolded analogy is kind of ****** of you to say, since that logic can be applied to Johnson, can the same not be said that society "insulted" him as he was black and he "punched it in the face" with his "arrogance". Try coming up with a real argument instead of baffling on with comparisons that have nothing to do with anything.

[RubenSonny]

In case anybody didn't know, Mast is Stones' latest alt.....He's a known troll and he's attempting to throw gasoline on what's already a heated discussion.

Poet

Ahh thanks for clearing that up, I thought it was Tyson/Morales.

[StarshipTrooper]

Ahh thanks for clearing that up, I thought it was Tyson/Morales.

Now that's a thought! You may be right, though I'd give the edge to Stones! since Mast sent me red which is something Stones! does and I can't recall Morales. ever doing that.....although since he's perpetually red he's never been able to :thinking9: The more I think about it I think you are correct Sir!

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Ahh thanks for clearing that up, I thought it was Tyson/Morales.

Ed. Correction made.

Poet

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

sooo help my history? what factors went into the north unifying against slavery? did fredrick douglas do it all himself? orr perhaps uncle toms cabin the best selling book of the century second to the bible might have had a vital influence on the civil war?

No Fredrick Douglas did not do it by himself, but slavery was not abolished soley based on race. Economics is what abolished slavery. Lincoln did not authorize the war against the south due to slavery, it was due to the integrity of the Union. Slavery was merely a side issue(If they really viewed all men as created equal they would have integrated the Army and for that matter the entire North, which they didnt). The north had turned a blind eye to slavery once they no longer had the need for it(Other than the few abolitionist). Uncle Tom's cabin was nothing more than a staunch reminder to some.

[Spartacus Sully]

"I'll lick any son of a biitch in the room" is that ****y enough for you? Amazing he was revered as the HW Champ that no one could beat huh? Why no hate for that arrogant fella. Why was he allowed to duck Peter Jackson?

he ducked jackson because that was the norm in america as well a s his manager was extremly racist.

as well im pretty sure i had read an article about jack blackburn having been one of sullivans close friends....seems weird for a racist....

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

Even as he repeated his challenge "to fight any man living," Sullivan refused to fight a black man. "I will not fight a Negro. I never have and I never shall," he declared.


John Sullivan and His America, by Michael Isenberg (University of Illinois Press, 1988).

[Spartacus Sully]

(If they really viewed all men as created equal they would have integrated the Army and for that matter the entire North, which they didnt).

intergrated? like letting african americans enlist and having 180000 africans americans fighting for the north?

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

he ducked jackson because that was the norm in america as well a s his manager was extremly racist.

as well im pretty sure i had read an article about jack blackburn having been one of sullivans close friends....seems weird for a racist....

Really??????? Corbett fought him. Choynski fought him.

[Spartacus Sully]

Even as he repeated his challenge "to fight any man living," Sullivan refused to fight a black man. "I will not fight a Negro. I never have and I never shall," he declared.


John Sullivan and His America, by Michael Isenberg (University of Illinois Press, 1988).

so he clrealy wasnt the greatest fighter ever....but he wasnt a racist.

i have no admiration for him other then brining fame and gloves to the sport.

and a wicked stache