Jack Dempsey against Rocky Marciano

[QueensburyRules]

--- Mr Tyny, it's on the record Jack signed 2x to fight wills, but the politics of the day wouldn't support the needed size of the venue, ie the NE US. Wills cashed his 50k guarantee to by an apt building that supported him thru the depression unlike Benny Leonard forced to make a comeback as one ex.

Jack was stiffed and never got his guarantee because the promoter was bust by then.

Jack was offered Sam after being stiffed by a crooked promoter. He was sleeping on a park bench standing in soup lines and carrying broken ribs from his last fight there. He hopped the rails back west where he hooked up to Kearns and the rest history save your poor understanding of it.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

I explained that right there. If you can't read, then it's not my job to teach you

I wasn't asking you a question I was laughing at the absurdity of your post.

As for him fighting Langford, guess who Langford fought instead. Someone just as young as Dempsey with just about the same amount of fights as Dempsey. And if I remember correctly, the dude won a draw.

Stop making up excuses. Dempsey said he was scared. He was scared. No reason to read any more into it than his own words.

Do you even comprehend what you read? I literally said Langford would have clobbered Dempsey. Dempsey knew it.

As for the draw it was a cherry pick gone wrong. Prior to that Langford had knocked out Joe Jeannette the guy YOU claim was the boogeyman and would have annihilated Dempsey 2 years later. All of a sudden he's crap? Make up your mind and stop changing your position every 5 seconds to suit your agenda.

Only one man ran away. That was Dempsey! Even he admits that. Again. Accept it.

Your man was shaking in his boots and only pursued the fight when he knew that there was absolutely no chance of it happening. Again, the Shannon Briggs of 1918. Looking for a pay day at best.

Do you need me to post the court case again? Because what we do know is that Dempsey agreed, and when it was time for some action, he backed down and broke that contract. And this is after he said that Wills was the only man he ever wanted to fight since becoming champion. Hmmm. Even you said that seemed to be a lie.

Is that a fact or not?


Don't know why you felt triggered to bring up this stuff again. Is it because your boy was exposed as a racist? Either way, I have facts. You have emotions. Thanks for trying.

Lmao **** you and your court case. There were a million other disputes over the fight you just cherry picked one of them. Face it, you got caught with your pants down. Read it and weep

Anyone (such as yourself) who claims to argue from facts and that the other side argues from emotions is in fact arguing from emotions.

Kinda strange why you have such a hard on for Dempsey. You seem to get off at the fact that he used bicycle tape like that even matters lmfao. Bicycle tape doesn't even hurt. Not to mention they wear ****ing gloves

[travestyny]

--- Mr Tyny, it's on the record Jack signed 2x to fight wills, but the politics of the day wouldn't support the needed size of the venue, ie the NE US. Wills cashed his 50k guarantee to by an apt building that supported him thru the depression unlike Benny Leonard forced to make a comeback as one ex.

Jack was stiffed and never got his guarantee because the promoter was bust by then.

Jack was offered Sam after being stiffed by a crooked promoter. He was sleeping on a park bench standing in soup lines and carrying broken ribs from his last fight there. He hopped the rails back west where he hooked up to Kearns and the rest history save your poor understanding of it.

I think you understand this poorly.

I see I will have to give you the proof too. I'll edit this post with it in a second. Then you can go cry about it elsewhere.

[travestyny]

I wasn't asking you a question I was laughing at the absurdity of your post.

It's I that has been laughing at you the entire time that you tried to defend Dempsey and wound up calling him a racist and saying that he made the most ridiculous statements that you've ever heard.

Do you need me to give you proof of that, too?

The take wasn't strictly speaking illegal, but it was certainly used to give an UNFAIR advantage. If you don't want to call it cheating, then have at it. There probably wasn't anything in the rule book about liniments being used on gloves to irritate eyes. Cheating or no? I'll let you ponder that.

Do you even comprehend what you read? I literally said Langford would have clobbered Dempsey. Dempsey knew it.

I don't care what you said. Who cares. Dempsey said he was scared. Take it how you want.

As for the draw it was a cherry pick gone wrong. Prior to that Langford had knocked out Joe Jeannette the guy YOU claim was the boogeyman and would have annihilated Dempsey 2 years later. All of a sudden he's crap? Make up your mind and stop changing your position every 5 seconds to suit your agenda.

I have never said he would have annihilated Dempsey. Again, that's your emotions getting in the way of what you read. What I did say is that he made Dempsey turn Pvssy. Well, I didn't actually say it that way. I said it much nicer, but I'm trying to give you a reason fo your angst. So have at it.

But if you can quote me saying Jeannette would have annihilated Dempsey, do so! Let's see it so that we can see the proof of me "changing my position." I'll wait for it.

Your man was shaking in his boots and only pursued the fight when he knew that there was absolutely no chance of it happening. Again, the Shannon Briggs of 1918. Looking for a pay day at best.

YOUR MAN LET EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING CALL HIM A BUM, COWARD, AND YELLOW DOG. And he still wouldn't fight. Go cry about it.

Lmao **** you and your court case. There were a million other disputes over the fight you just cherry picked one of them. Face it, you got caught with your pants down. Read it and weep

A court of law. Meanwhile, you're still crying because you got embarrassed and ran out of that thread after having to say that Dempsey's statement was ridiculous. Remember that?

Anyone (such as yourself) who claims to argue from facts and that the other side argues from emotions is in fact arguing from emotions.

Uhhhh. No. Facts are facts. That's what I have. YOU, on the other hand, have nothing but tears.

Kinda strange why you have such a hard on for Dempsey. You seem to get off at the fact that he used bicycle tape like that even matters lmfao. Bicycle tape doesn't even hurt. Not to mention they wear ****ing gloves

LMAOOOOOOOO. Bicycle tape doesn't even hurt? Now you are an expert on bicycle tape.


Go away, clown. I beat up on you enough in the last thread. You're just going to embarrass yourself again.

[travestyny]

--- Mr Tyny, it's on the record Jack signed 2x to fight wills, but the politics of the day wouldn't support the needed size of the venue, ie the NE US. Wills cashed his 50k guarantee to by an apt building that supported him thru the depression unlike Benny Leonard forced to make a comeback as one ex.

Jack was stiffed and never got his guarantee because the promoter was bust by then.

Jack was offered Sam after being stiffed by a crooked promoter. He was sleeping on a park bench standing in soup lines and carrying broken ribs from his last fight there. He hopped the rails back west where he hooked up to Kearns and the rest history save your poor understanding of it.

Here you go. Educate yourself and enjoy

Appellate Court of Illinois, Chicago, First District.?65 Ill. App. 542 (Ill. App. Ct. 1932)
CHICAGO COLISEUM CLUB V. DEMPSEY

Background:


Chicago Coliseum Club, a corporation, as plaintiff, brought its action against William Harrison Dempsey, known as Jack Dempsey, to recover damages for breach of a written contract executed March 13, 1926, but bearing date of March 6 of that year.

Under the terms of the written agreement, the plaintiff was to promote a public boxing exhibition in Chicago, or some suitable place to be selected by the promoter, and had engaged the services of one Harry Wills, another well known boxer and pugilist, to engage in a boxing match with the defendant Dempsey for the championship of the world. Under the terms of the contract between the plaintiff and Dempsey and the plaintiff and Wills, the contest was to be held during the month of September, 1926.

Dempsey's Financial Agreement: The Plaintiff agreed to...

• Pay Dempsey an initial amount of $10 for consideration, receipt of which was acknowledged
• pay to Dempsey the sum of $300,000 on the 5th day of August 1926
• Pay Dempsey $500,000 in cash at least 10 days before the date fixed for the contest
• Pay Dempsey 50 per cent of the net profits over and above the sum of $2,000,000 in the event the gate receipts should exceed that amount
• Pay Dempsey 50 per cent of the net revenue derived from moving picture concessions or royalties received by the plaintiff

Dempsey Also:

• agreed to have his life and health insured in favor of the plaintiff in a manner and at a place to be designated by the plaintiff.
• agreed not to engage in any boxing match after the date of the agreement and prior to the date on which the contest was to be held.

The Facts:

July 10, 1926, plaintiff wired Dempsey at Colorado Springs, Colorado, stating that representatives of life and accident insurance companies would call on him for the purpose of examining him for insurance in favor of the Chicago Coliseum Club, in accordance with the terms of his contract, and also requesting the defendant to begin training for the contest not later than August 1, 1926. In answer to this communication plaintiff received a telegram from Dempsey, as follows:

"BM Colorado Springs Colo July 10th 1926

B. E. Clements
President Chicago Coliseum Club Chgo:

Entirely too busy training for my coming Tunney match to waste time on insurance representatives. Stop as you have no contract. Suggest you stop kidding yourself and me also.

Jack Dempsey."

• on August 3, 1926, plaintiff, as complainant, filed a bill in the superior court of Marion county, Indiana, asking to have Dempsey restrained and enjoined from engaging in the contest with Tunney, which complainant was informed and believed was to be held on the 16th day of September, and which contest would be in violation of the terms of the agreement entered into between the plaintiff and defendant at Los Angeles, March 13, 1926.

• September 13, 1926, a decree was entered in the superior court of Marion county, finding that the contract was a valid and subsisting contract between the parties, and that the complainant had expended large sums of money in carrying out the terms of the agreement
  
• Also, a decree was entered that Dempsey be perpetually restrained and enjoined from in any way, wise, or manner, training or preparing for or participating in any contracts or engagements in furtherance of any boxing match, prize fight or any exhibition of like nature, and particularly from engaging or entering into any boxing match with one Gene Tunney, or with any person other than the one designated by plaintiff.

We are unable to conceive upon what theory the defendant could contend that there was no contract, as it appears to be admitted in the proceeding here and bears his signature and the amounts involved are sufficiently large to have created a rather lasting impression on the mind of anyone signing such an agreement

The court found that Dempsey could only be on the hook for damages that came between the time of the signing of the contract and the time of the breach of the contract. So the plaintiff was not awarded for any amount they could have gained (because they couldn't prove how much money the fight would bring in), couldn't recoup the $50,000 they gave to Wills (at least not in this case), and couldn't get the amount of money they spent to get the injunction to stop Dempsey from fighting Tunney.

The Court did find that there were some incidental damages, such as secretaries' salaries and consultation with an architect to build the ring ($300).


So the point is, Dempsey was to get the money on August 5th! He breached the contract on July 10th!!! The complaint by the promoter was filed August 3rd!!!!

This is proof that Dempsey cannot use the excuse that money was not received. Even the court agreed that this contract was valid, though they didn't award much damages.

DEMPSEY DID INDEED DUCK THE BLACK PANTHER, HARRY WILLS!!!
HE SIGNED THE CONTRACT AND THEN BAILED! IT'S ALL FILED IN COURT!

LINKS

[Mr.MojoRisin']

It's I that has been laughing at you the entire time that you tried to defend Dempsey and wound up calling him a racist and saying that he made the most ridiculous statements that you've ever heard.

Do you need me to give you proof of that, too?

The take wasn't strictly speaking illegal, but it was certainly used to give an UNFAIR advantage. If you don't want to call it cheating, then have at it. There probably wasn't anything in the rule book about liniments being used on gloves to irritate eyes. Cheating or no? I'll let you ponder that.



I don't care what you said. Who cares. Dempsey said he was scared. Take it how you want.



I have never said he would have annihilated Dempsey. Again, that's your emotions getting in the way of what you read. What I did say is that he made Dempsey turn Pvssy. Well, I didn't actually say it that way. I said it much nicer, but I'm trying to give you a reason fo your angst. So have at it.

But if you can quote me saying Jeannette would have annihilated Dempsey, do so! Let's see it so that we can see the proof of me "changing my position." I'll wait for it.




YOUR MAN LET EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING CALL HIM A BUM, COWARD, AND YELLOW DOG. And he still wouldn't fight. Go cry about it.





A court of law. Meanwhile, you're still crying because you got embarrassed and ran out of that thread after having to say that Dempsey's statement was ridiculous. Remember that?



Uhhhh. No. Facts are facts. That's what I have. YOU, on the other hand, have nothing but tears.




LMAOOOOOOOO. Bicycle tape doesn't even hurt? Now you are an expert on bicycle tape.


Go away, clown. I beat up on you enough in the last thread. You're just going to embarrass yourself again.

This is just one big compilation of you saying "I'm not embarrassed you are!"

[travestyny]

This is just one big compilation of you saying "I'm not embarrassed you are!"

You bore me with your cowardly ways.


When your balls descend, let me know, Jr.


I'll be waiting to beat up on you again.

[travestyny]

Oh, by the way:

Yes, the source is lying because it has so many easily disprovable statements in it that everyone would have been in an uproar over it. It's unexplainably dumb I've never seen a source full of so many lies. The language the source claims Dempsey used does not match his other language anyway. Wasn't Dempsey. Where did you get this source anyway?

why would he blatantly lie about so much and expect to get away with it?

Being that the source was Dempsey himself, if this dude really is your hero, you might want to do a better job of not exposing him as a liar.

Cheers, bro.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Oh, by the way:

Being that the source was Dempsey himself, if this dude really is your hero, you might want to do a better job of not exposing him as a liar.

Cheers, bro.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Your article is a blatant fabrication. The language that they claim Dempsey used does not match his language from other verifiable documents. It's easily disprovable.

[travestyny]

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Your article is a blatant fabrication. The language that they claim Dempsey used does not match his language from other verifiable documents. It's easily disprovable.

LMAO. Then disprove it.


Good luck proving that the New York Times made it up, and somehow got Dempsey to respond to Mullin's response to it


When you disprove it, give me a holler, ok?