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    Originally posted by Mr.MojoRisin' View Post
    I ****ing own the autobiography you dense mother****er, it's nowhere in it.
    Which part is nowhere in there? Where it says, "Wills was gypped." Is that the part you are talking about?


    You better not be lying, son, because other sources around the internet say that you are wrong about that. lol

    So are you saying this isn't in his autobiography:

    Originally posted by Mr.MojoRisin' View Post
    “He was gypped out of his crack at the title,” Dempsey wrote in his autobiography.
    Maybe it's edited out of your version. Various sources credit him with that quotation:

    In the end, Dempsey stated that he believed that "Wills had been gypped out of his crack at the title because people with a lot of money...thought that a fight against me, if it went wrong, would kill the business." (excerpts are from Dempsy: By the Man Himself)

    A poster who typed it up from his version of the book. Being that he was defending Dempsey, why would he lie?
    *Re: 1963 article by Jack Dempsey

    *by*cmoyle on Mon 15 Aug 2011, 2:25 pm

    Pages 182-183 of 'Dempsey' 1960 by Dempsey and Bill Slocum:

    "One of the reasons Tex was against matching me with Wills was the criticism he had gotten years before for putting on the Johnson-Jeffries fight. He had been accused of humiliating the white race and things like that.

    William Muldoon, a tough old geezer who ran the New York State*Athletic*Commission, was against the Wills fight for another reason: he thought it might end up in a race riot, no matter who won.

    Rickard spoke mysteriously about "Washington" not wanting the fight. In New York, others demanded that it be held, and some of them could have been thinking of the Harlem vote in the next election. Fights had that much importance in those days.

    Anyway, the men whose words or experience I trusted at that time said I couldn't fight Wills, and I never did.

    Kearns and Rickard had made a big fellow out of me, where before I had been a hobo. Muldoon was a man I had a lot of respect for. He had trained John L. Sullivan with the help of a baseball bat, and he was the kind of guy who would reach up and snatch a cigar out of your mouth and grind it under his foot if he caught you smoking in his house or even in his presence. None of them had any doubt I could beat Wills. Nor did I. But I'm sorry now the fight never came off.

    Wills was mostly a victim of bigotry. He was gypped out of his crack at the title because people with a lot of money tied up the in the boxing game thought that a fight against me, if it went wrong, might kill the business. People of importance still worried about "white supremacy," race riots, the Negro vote - which might swing somewhere else if I flattened Wills - and things like that.

    Harry's dead now. He died without ever knowing how he would have come out. But he lived to see a day when the Negro fighter really came into his own in the heavyweight division and changed boxing history."


    It was even mentioned in a book about Tunney:


    Last edited by travestyny; 05-29-2018, 07:21 PM.

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      --- Ok, so you admit to quoting Dempsey out of context.

      I already knew that, but I ain't sure you fully realize it...

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        --- Teensy, it goes like this:

        Dempsey had sparring wars with his majority black sparmates, notably braking the ribs of 240 lb George Godfrey. Society drew the color line, not Jack. Bill Tate was a friend he took to Hollywood to stay in shape for wills. It didn't work out like most big fights.

        Clay Moyle is highly respected, but, again, you tend to take things out of context. Nobody denies Harry was denied his shot, but he fell short making that fight at the finish. He was past prime at that point as was Dempsey, so no biggie.

        Yep, JJOHNSON was challenging Joe Louis as well, but only jack reputedly KOed him in a private smoker in Saskatoon, documented as quite possible but not etched in stone. Means nothing to eithers legacy. Just an arcane blip.

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          Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
          --- Ok, so you admit to quoting Dempsey out of context.

          I already knew that, but I ain't sure you fully realize it...
          Uh, no I didn't.

          Blatantly making up things is cowardly. And learn to use the quote function if you want to keep this going.


          There is only one way to take "I was afraid to fight him." If you want to put your own spin on it, go for it. But that is YOUR spin. Only one of us is giving the quotation with no spin.

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            Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
            --- Teensy, it goes like this:

            Dempsey had sparring wars with his majority black sparmates, notably braking the ribs of 240 lb George Godfrey. Society drew the color line, not Jack. Bill Tate was a friend he took to Hollywood to stay in shape for wills. It didn't work out like most big fights.
            Stop lying to yourself. He did indeed draw the color line. Read it and weep.




            DEMPSEY WILL NEVER FIGHT NEGRO Champion Declares He Has Drawn Color Line; Will Not Wed,
            OMAHA, Neb., July B.—Jack Dempsey, world’s heavyweight champion pugilist, who passed through here today on his way to Salt Lake City, In a statement to newspaper men denied that he is willing to fight Jack Johnson, “or any other negro fighter.’’ “I will never fight a colored man,’’ Dempsey said. “There is nothing to this talk of me meeting Jack Johnson. 1 am confident the , public does not want this fight, and while 1 will prove myself to a large extent according to the public wishes, I can’t see my way clear to fight Johnson or any other colored man.’’ Although his train stopped here only 10 minutes, Dempsey said “more things” than he has since the fight with Carpentier at Jersey City, according to the sport writers who interviewed him. “How about those two mysterious men in your corner with a towel. Jack?" inquired a fan. “Never knew a thing about it until some one showed me a newspaper with the story in it,” the champion replied. Concerning the story that he was a married man, Dempsey said; "Somebody was groggy when they sent out that story.about me going to get married. I can't make more than enough to support myself.” Continuing about the prospects for his next bout, Dempsey went on: “I w r ill meet any one that Kearns picks for me. Gibbons, I understand, is a good man. although I never have seen him work. As I have drawn the color line, I am free to say that I think Harry Wills is a great fighter, one who will whip the very best of them. You know as much about Johnson as I do. As for Willard—l'll fight him any time—and lick him, too.”


            More FACTS!!!!


            Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
            Clay Moyle is highly respected, but, again, you tend to take things out of context. Nobody denies Harry was denied his shot, but he fell short making that fight at the finish. He was past prime at that point as was Dempsey, so no biggie.
            How many times will you duck it. DID THE COURT FIND THAT HE BROKE THE CONTRACT. STOP RESPONDING IF YOU WON'T ANSWER.


            Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
            Yep, JJOHNSON was challenging Joe Louis as well, but only jack reputedly KOed him in a private smoker in Saskatoon, documented as quite possible but not etched in stone. Means nothing to eithers legacy. Just an arcane blip.
            LMAOOOO. Yea ok. And the tooth fairy knocked out Santa Claus. You think Dempsey fights JJohnson for no money? Documented and only you talking about it.

            You've exposed yourself Queenie. Try answering my question before you return, hmmm?

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              --- I don't quote endless wall to wall quotes approaching infinity.

              That's for the infantile who need bibs and their steak cut up for them. I'm more specific though occasionly the quote function serves a purpose.

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                Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                --- I don't quote endless wall to wall quotes approaching infinity.

                That's for the infantile who need bibs and their steak cut up for them. I'm more specific though occasionly the quote function serves a purpose.
                You also don't reply to facts or answer questions because you know you're outgunned. Better luck next time.

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                  Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                  Which part is nowhere in there? Where it says, "Wills was gypped." Is that the part you are talking about?


                  You better not be lying, son, because other sources around the internet say that you are wrong about that. lol

                  So are you saying this isn't in his autobiography:



                  Maybe it's edited out of your version. Various sources credit him with that quotation:




                  A poster who typed it up from his version of the book. Being that he was defending Dempsey, why would he lie?



                  It was even mentioned in a book about Tunney:
                  You really are one ****** son of a *****. I'm talking about the part where they claim Dempsey said he wouldn't fight Wills because Wills was black. Dense mother****er.

                  Stop before you make yourself look even more like a halfwit moron. I own the book, original copy, copyright 1977.

                  Btw I'll lie to you whenever I want you aren't **** and won't do **** about it. I run your ***** ass.

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                    Originally posted by Mr.MojoRisin' View Post
                    You really are one ****** son of a *****. I'm talking about the part where they claim Dempsey said he wouldn't fight Wills because Wills was black. Dense mother****er.
                    You're the idiot who claimed the quotation from Dempsey is fake. Get ready to be embarrassed and have to live with knowing that you took a big shlt all over Dempsey when I prove it

                    So this is the part you are referring to.....

                    “I never fought Wills … because he was a Negro.”

                    LMAOOOO. Do you see the three dots between that, moron. You're so fvvcking desperate that you're trying to compare that to what I have? You're going to be embarrassed, son. I can't wait!!!!


                    Originally posted by Mr.MojoRisin' View Post
                    Stop before you make yourself look even more like a halfwit moron. I own the book, original copy, copyright 1977.

                    Btw I'll lie to you whenever I want you aren't **** and won't do **** about it. I run your ***** ass.

                    How about you put your account up. Let's see how much tough talk you're really willing to do.

                    I'll prove the quotation I gave you from Dempsey is accurate. If I win, I control your sig for 3 months. If I lose, you control mine for 3 months.

                    We get a mod to agree that if anyone reneges on the challenge, they are permanently banned.


                    Don't bow down, bltch boy. You agree?
                    Last edited by travestyny; 05-30-2018, 07:13 AM.

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                      Don't duck me, son. Aren't you after the truth? Are you really going to let your statements below just sit out there like that. Well hey, I'm willing to defend Dempsey against your heinous quotations.

                      Either you accept that challenge, or you bow down and agree that it's Dempsey's accurate quotations and that you made a grave mistake. What's it going to be?

                      I'm waitinggggggg I'm going to take as big of a dump on you as you did on Dempsey. Matter of fact, after I finish shltting all over you, I'm going to dedicate it to Dempsey for you shltting on his name like that. How's that?

                      Accept bltch.

                      Originally posted by Mr.MojoRisin' View Post
                      why would he blatantly lie about so much and expect to get away with it?

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